Prophecy of St Malachy, Against TektonTV, Part I · Prophecy of St Malachy, etc, Part II
Here are a few more recent Popes - and we start getting to Antipopes as well. While I am at it, the Prophecy of St Malachy has featured undoubted Antipopes of the Middle Ages, like "Barcinonicus corvus" or whether it was "Schisma barcinonicum" - on an Antipope from Bercelona.*
This is probably where some people suggest that editors in 1590 falsified prophecy, since their view of the papacy (as well as mine) involves that Antipope from Barcelona actually being an Antipope, not the real Pope of the time. It is a bit difficult to conceive of a line beginning with an Antipope and continuing after that with real Pope after real Pope grafted onto previous real Popes, before the Antipope, while a man from Barcelona would have been real Pope with no direct connection to his real successors. No doubt it would have been difficult to the editors of 1590 too.
But, if more recent prophecies than 1590 are good - and this is what I am defending previous part and this one - it is more explicable for the prophecies even before to have been genuine, by Malachy of Armagh, than for only the latter to be genuine, and by some fraud of editors in 1590.
Here we continue with identified Popes and Antipopes up to abdication of Bendict XVI - on my view on Antipope, though a fairly good one whom I took for real even after ditching his predecessor John Paul II and without readjusting that ditching.
- 261 Pius XI (1922-1939) 105 Fides intrepida
- (Intrepid faith)
Hist.: This Pope stood up to Fascist and Communist forces lining up against him in the lead up to World War II.
What is the difference between Russian Revolution during Benedict XV as well as biennio rosso or as Mexican Revolution of 1917, or Hungarian Revolution of Bela Kún, and the new depopulations of religion attempted under Pius XI against the Church in Mexico (by enforcing atheistic school teaching with school compulsion) and in Spain, under its Second Republic, the Red Terror of Asturias and elsewhere in Rebellion against Gil Robles, the generalised esclation to a new Red Terror under Azaña?
Well, some faithful were being intrepid in a military sense.
Even if Pius XI had the sad role of asking Cristeros to lay down their arms (after which they were, as to leadership, executed, despite the promises given to Pius XI to obtain this order), he did not commit the same mistake again when it came to the Burgos pronunciamento against Azaña. He endorsed Franco's war against Azaña and Caballero and others as a Crusade. It was victorious a few months after Pope "intrepid faith" died.
The guys who disclaim the Fatima prophecy on account of his dying before "World War II" starts in September this year might be wrong simply because "World War II" was an episode of diversion from real issues in a greater war, starting with Cristeros and not finished until fall of Iron Curtain in 1990 - if it is even finished now.
On the side of doctrine of faith but not soldiering for the faith, Pius XI made (through his nuncio Pacelli) Clemens August von Galen the bishop of Munster, who was later to be the most intrepid critic of certain ills in National Socialism, including Eugenism and Euthanasia.
If we turn to the British Isles, the great intrepid Apologists Hilaire Belloc and even more well known Gilbert Keith Chesterton were active as writers in his day, and he conferred on them the dignity of Knights of St Gregory.
As to the "Hist", we are dealing with Encyclicals, here is a selection:
Iniquis afflictisque 18. November 1926 On persecution of the Church in Mexico Divini illius Magistr valign="top"i 31. December 1929 On school matters (if he had been heard, Klebold would not have shot Cassie) Casti connubii 31. December 1930 On marriage, against Eugenics (back before Per Albin and Hitler this was an issue in certain states of US and Canada) and against Malthusianism. Non abbiamo bisogno [Italian] 29. Juni 1931 Against certain issues with Italian Fascism, notably breaches against Concordate esp with issues of education Acerba animi 29. September 1932 On persecution of the Church in Mexico Dilectissima nobis 3. Juni 1933 On repression of Church in Spain Mit brennender Sorge [German] 14. March 1937 Against National Socialism or various aspects of it Divini redemptoris 19. March 1937 Against Communism Nos es muy conocida [Spanish] 28. March 1937 On religious situation in Mexico Ingravescentibus malis 29. September 1937 On the Rosary as our weapon.
Let us not forget he has also instituted last Sunday of October as Feast of Christ the King - with a clearly political message, not lost on people like Eamonn DeValera or Franco : an earthly ruler is just a delegate of Christ the King.
- 262 Pius XII (1939-1958) 106 Pastor angelicus
- (Angelic Shepherd)
Hist.: This Pope was very mystical, and is believed to have received visions. People would kneel when they received telephone calls from him. His encyclicals add enormously to the understanding of Catholic beliefs (even if they are now overlooked because of focus on the Second Vatican Council, which occurred so soon after his reign).
As he is first on a list of possible Antipopes, but was accepted by nearly all Catholics, a much better consensus than for the most recent one, Bergoglio, and since he is accepted by most sedevacantists, instead of commenting extensively, I'll instead just note one alternative reading.
In Acts, an angels is acting like a "shepherd" for St Peter, by opening the prison doors.
Whatever can be said of Pius XII as a Pope, he was an excellent Schindler. He saved lots of Jews from getting caught.
The following are considered Antipopes by all Sedevacantists except Palmarians who accept "Paul VI".
- 263 John XXIII (1958-1963) 107 Pastor et Nauta
- (pastor and marine - mistranslated, it is really pastor and sailor)
Hist.: prior to his election he was patriarch of Venice, a marine city, home of the gondolas
J. P. Holding argued, he wasn't in Venice all that long.
One could retort, he was also in Istanbul, as Papal Nuntio. Istanbul is also a maritime city.
J. P. Holding fails to note he was considered by his admirers as a very compassionate pastor, and he convoked a council which was, on his terms (not kept by his successor) meant as "a pastoral council" - a council purely of disciplinary measures, without any condemnation of any heresy, without any definite project of ending any schism even (it started one instead!), without any definite amount of disciplinary problems (if one can consider Pius XII as having been a legitimate pastor, he had an intellect as brilliant as an angel for that task).
So, John XXIII is actually famous for having convoked a pastoral council, and among Sedes he is ill famed for that. There is a caricature in which the Devil is seen walking among a lot of people dressed as bishops and cardinals, the door they are walking to is marked "Vatican II" and the devil is commenting "wow, I was never officially invited to a council before!"
That invitation being previsely the convocation of a pastoral council, no task of condemning any heresies and therefore not given the usual divine guidance of infallibility in such condemnations.
So, note, the order of words was not "nauta et pastor", but "pastor et nauta".
There is a Swedish saying to someone who is making a mistake or has no clue - it is actually the equivalent of "you have no clue" - and it goes most often "nu är du ute och cyclar". That means, literally, "now you are out biking".
But I recalled, and I found, an alternative version "nu är du ute och seglar". Now you are out sailing. You are offshore, on deep waters, off the visible coastline = you have no clue any more.
Once Roncalli "John XXIII" was convoking the pastoral council, he was in the Swedish sense of the phrase "out and sailing". Pastor and sailor, well, let's say it is very accurate.
Are you saying he was aware of the prophecy and of the Swedish saying and went clueless deliberately in order to fulfil the prophecy?
- 264 Paul VI (1963-1978) 108 Flos florum
- (flower of flowers)
Hist.: his arms displayed three lilies.
One could also say that his Humanae Vitae was at least received by many as a protection of chastity. A virtue (at least in its higher degree of virginity) symbolised by the lily. Like here, in right use of marriage.
It, correctly, totally banned pill and rubber. But, it also endorsed "for grave reasons" (a condition often forgotten) NFP. Something which already Pius XII (Pacelli) had done, which is one of the reasons against him.
Now, there is another flower than the lily, which symbolises chastity. Or other flowers, shall we say.
Leviticus 18:19. No, Latin has no flowers there. Latin has "quae menstruam patitur". But English has "in her flowers".
Shall we say Antipope Montini or Paul666 (yes, we sometimes do so nickname him, there is both pictographic and numerological aptness to that) was impurity of impurities? Or shall we say he tried to make a lily (matrimonial chastity) out of "flowers" in the sense concerned by Leviticus 18:19?
If he did that precisely to fulfil the prophecy (as of course you could argue about his coat of arms, if chosen post conclave), you must admit this would have been a somewhat cynic way of dealing with it.
Note also, though this is less to the point in the prophecy, he did not stay with the "pastoral council without condemnations" policy, he finished Vatican II (a bit before Humanae Vitae) on a note of all its documents being religiously binding. Which I for one cannot accept for a document as modernist as Gaudium et Spes.
- 265 John Paul I (1978) 109 De medietate Lunæ
- (of the half of the moon)
Hist.: Albino Luciani, born in Canale d'Agardo, diocese of Belluno, (beautiful moon) Elected pope on August
- 26, his reign lasted about a month, from half a moon to the next half...
J. P. Holding had argued, if he was elected at a half moon, this could have been because one wanted to fulfil prophecy, ok, but if you consider his dying the next half moon was also by men trying to fulfil St Malachy's prophecy, that means you are arguing he was murdered by something very close to Illuminati of the Conspiracy Theorists' common lore.
Which in itself, to a Catholic, would indicate that the world is coming to an end, having such people involved in running the Vatican.
So, was his dying on a half moon, his reigning from a half moon to next half moon, a fortuitous event which just happens to match prophecy? Or was he murdered to fulfil prophecy? Or both?
- 266 John Paul II (1978-2005) 110 De labore Solis
- (of the eclipse of the sun, or from the labour of the sun)
Hist.: Karol Wojtyla was born on May 18, 1920 during a solar eclipse. He also comes from behind the former Iron Curtain (the East, where the Sun rises). He might also be seen to be the fruit of the intercession of the Woman Clothed with the Sun labouring in Revelation 12 (because of his devotion to the Virgin Mary). His Funeral occurred on 8 April, 2005 when there was a solar eclipse visible in the Americas.
J. P. Holding argued, the solar eclipse at his birth occurred over Indian Ocean.
Well, there are Hindoos on both sides of it, aren't there? Now, what has this to do with "John Paul II" or Antipope Wojtyla?
The Catholic Church, by sending priests there, both as a service to the Catholic presence and as missionaries directly to Hindoos, has been shining sunlight on them, on the Indian Ocean.
On three occasions, Wojtyla was an eclipse of this sunlight.
- By endorsing Mother Theresa who was not (at least not officially) doing anything to convert Hindoo patients in her hospitals, this affects Muslims too;
- By receiving a Tilak from a Brahmin (confer when he kissed a Qoran, which affects Muslims);
- By the Assisi Prayer Meeting, at which Hindoo idolaters were invited to do their service in Catholic Churches, as if they had been visiting Catholic priests (whatever can be said about Pius XII, when Wehrmacht held a Lutheran service in Notre Dame, he protested against that!)
So, as he died, he was buried at another solar eclipse, over Americas. I would hardly say he was an excellent pastor for the faithful in the Americas either.
- 267 Benedict XVI (2005-) 111 Gloria olivæ
The Benedictine order traditionally said this Pope would come from their order, since a branch of the Benedictine order is called the Olivetans. St Benedict is said to have prophesied that before the end of the world, a member of his order would be Pope and would triumphantly lead the Church in its fight against evil. While the Holy Father chose the name "Benedict", this does not seem enough to fulfil the prophecy. Nor is it clear how Benedict XVI (a Bavarian) is "Glory of the Olives". Since he is said to have remarked in the Conclave after saying he would take the name Benedict that it was partly to honour Benedict XV, a pope of peace and reconciliation, perhaps Benedict XVI will be a peacemaker in the Church or in the World, and thus carry the olive branch.
Now, there is one occasion on which even those who consider him an Antipope cannot escape saying he was at least a false peacemaker. No one can say he was not in some sense at least a peacemaker.
On the 7th of July 2007, tens years and a few months ago, he aroused a lot of anger in Modernist quarters, precisely by making some peace efforts in the direction of FSSPX, Fraternitas Sacerdotalis Sancti Pii Decimi.
We can note a few things more. The site is from when Benedict XVI was still, rightly or wrongly, as Pope or as Antipope, ruling. It has for some reason not been updated since he resigned, the identity of Petrus Romanus is left open.
The switch from Benedict to Francis has coincided with a lot of Catholic site and blog deaths.
For a layman exercising a kind of free speech, like in lay apologetics (sth which was endorsed by Pius XI**), Benedict XVI was a golden era, in the internet version, and with "Frankenpope" it seems to be gone or at least considerably curtailed.
I noted the same in Swedish, a few months ago.
På Svenska og på Dansk på Antimodernism : Catholska lekmannabloggar i Norden
Some of the blogs I had searched on a certain blogroll or two were by priests and are still running. But most were by laymen and ceased posting in 2011 - 2013 sometime.
There is another thing with the Popes and Antipopes on this page. They are seven kings. They are the seven priest-kings of Vatican State.
If Dimond brothers and other sedevacantists are correct about new rite of ordination, Bergoglio was never even a priest, validly so ordained***. So he is in a sense after the seven priest kings. On the other hand, Benedict XV was not yet king of Vatican State, since it was founded in 1929, by a treaty between Pius XI and the Italian King represented by Mussolini. Up to 1870, Popes had been kings over a vaster territory, known as Papal States. From 1870 to 1929 gthey were in principle claiming this back, while Italy illegally occupying Papal States was not even giving them sovereignty over Vatican. In 1929, Popes renounced the Papal States and agreed with Italy to found Vatican State. Pius XI, one, Pius XII, two, John XXIII, three, Paul VI, four, John Paul I, five, John Paul II, six, Benedict XVI, seven.
Can one say that "Frankenpope" is "the eighth, and one of the seven"?
He is the eighth king of Vatican City and in certain ways a double of more than one of his predecessors. This has been noted by Dimond brothers. Most notable way of being "one of the seven" is by being kind of a co-ruler with his Emeritus predecessor, who didn't rule the shortest time, but clearly a shorter time than his predecessor and a shorter time than some others of them.
Are there any parallels to the situation? If Charles XVI Gustaf were to get a real reign (so far he has been a figurehead, legally so, with no predecessor in Swedish history at all) he would be the seventh Bernadotte and be ruling for the short time which is left him (after a long non-reign). If he were succeeded by Silvia, she would be him by being one flesh, and therefore one of the seven, but she would be eighth. For Putin, he would be eighth and one of the seven if one counted post-Khrushchev rulers in Russia, but why post-Khrushchev? For Britain, the Hannover Windsors are already too many. For Emperor of India, we would still have to look out for a seventh who will rule a short time. On a lookout for a fulfilment of this Biblical prophecy, Dimond brothers seem close to having clinched it on Bergoglio being "eighth and one of the seven".
No, I cannot endorse J. P. Holdings position that we are dealing with "end times quackery". We'll see what he has to say about more in his newer series on Apocalypse.
Hans Georg Lundahl
St Lorenzo Giustiniani
* Antipope (no Pope number on the site or otherwise!) "Clement VIII" (1423-1429) 44 (number in prophecy) Schisma Barcinonicum
** Sheed and Ward was a publishing house founded in London in 1926 by Catholic activists Frank Sheed and Maisie Ward. The head office was moved to New York in 1933. 26 - under Pius XI - 33 - still under Pius XI. Francis Joseph "Frank" Sheed (March 20, 1897 in Sydney – November 20, 1982 in Jersey City), an Australian-born lawyer, was a Catholic writer, publisher, and speaker. He and his wife Maisie Ward were famous in their day as the names behind the imprint Sheed & Ward and as forceful public lecturers in the Catholic Evidence Guild. The Catholic Evidence Guild is a loose international association of Roman Catholic lay volunteers which seeks to research and present clear and compelling explanations of the doctrine of the Roman Catholic Church. The organisation was founded in the Diocese of Westminster, England towards the end of 1918. By 1925 there were 20 to 30 branches throughout England. The Westminster branch has spoken regularly at Speakers' Corner since its inception. Prospective speakers were put through a strict training system by the Guild, with the goal of enabling "the ordinary Catholic to explain the truths of his religion in such a way as to reach the understanding of the crowd."
*** A bit like Catholics generally say even Lutherans and Anglicans ceased to have valid orders around Reformation at that change of rite.