tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8937148205319262279.post2868099065132025462..comments2024-03-27T17:06:25.745+01:00Comments on New blog on the kid: Chris Ferrara the ConspiratorHans Georg Lundahlhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01055583255516264955noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8937148205319262279.post-67947608863507676362015-05-04T19:51:54.520+02:002015-05-04T19:51:54.520+02:00By the way, it seems also the video was from "...By the way, it seems also the video was from "Ajoutée le 6 févr. 2014", meaning that referring to Chris Ferrara's decision as sth secret, to be kept from such and such a person, was basically baiting me, like testing how well or ill informed I was about him through internet.<br /><br />Now, I do like people to get to know me on internet before getting in touch with me, but I would not pretend something I had already expressed were a secret, just to bait someone else.<br /><br />That said, I have NOT yet had occasion to watch the video, so I cannot tell if it was a real change of mind.Hans Georg Lundahlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01055583255516264955noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8937148205319262279.post-55430527898994901822015-05-04T19:46:43.125+02:002015-05-04T19:46:43.125+02:00Meanwhile, Christopher Ferrara has published the d...Meanwhile, Christopher Ferrara has published the decision he made in secret back then, God bless him for that!<br /><br /><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=554TOFX3FW8" rel="nofollow">Geocentrism - Crackpot Theory?<br />TheFatimaCenter <br />https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=554TOFX3FW8</a><br /><br />However, so far I cannot link to this under the video, since comments are disactivated for it.Hans Georg Lundahlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01055583255516264955noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8937148205319262279.post-59006287670190878282015-03-17T08:43:39.093+01:002015-03-17T08:43:39.093+01:00Here is an example of the kind of people who reall...Here is an example of the kind of people who really DO have reason to value secrecy about anything where secrecy is asked:<br /><br /><i>Hello Dear.</i><br /><br /><br /><i>I am Mr.[anonnymised], a regional managing director (Matro bank int'l) London England, Are you a trustworthy individual or company? may I trust you? can you handle A multimillion's top secret deal? If your answers to the above questions are yes,</i><br /><br /><i>contact me for immediate transfer of GBP17.7 millions to your account hence you bear the same name with a deceased client in my bank who died in a plane last year without any next of kin.</i><br /><br /><i>I will be delighted to offer you 35% of the total funds immediately, Contact me in my Private E mail Address ([anonymised]) for more details.</i><br /><br /><br /><i>Kind Regards,<br />[anonymised]</i><br /><br />One reason I anonymise is that the spammer who sent me this may have in fact neither used his own name nor invented one, but stolen one. For revenge or for lack of ingenuity.<br /><br />But one reason the spammer needs complete discretion is so that the one agreeing with the deal (I deleted mail) may be safely plundered without having alerted anyone.Hans Georg Lundahlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01055583255516264955noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8937148205319262279.post-35939742639315688292015-03-16T14:33:07.137+01:002015-03-16T14:33:07.137+01:00Here is next part of this series:
Debate with Joh...Here is next part of this series:<br /><br /><a href="http://hglsfbwritings.blogspot.com/2015/03/debate-with-john-medaille-on-geocentrism.html" rel="nofollow">Debate with John Médaille on Geocentrism</a><br /><br />And here is first part of the part concerning Sungenis and a few more, including Ferrara:<br /><br /><a href="http://correspondentia-ioannis-georgii.blogspot.com/2015/03/with-david-palm-and-sungenis.html" rel="nofollow">With David Palm and Sungenis</a>Hans Georg Lundahlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01055583255516264955noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8937148205319262279.post-29882772587951359882015-03-16T13:39:20.885+01:002015-03-16T13:39:20.885+01:00The problem is that in context - see other parts o...The problem is that in context - see other parts of debate, where the context comes in full - Christopher Ferrara was hypocritical in two ways:<br /><br />1) when starting to call our debate "this seemingly endless war" and pretending we needed his wisdom to make a truce;<br /><br />2) by secrecy he would have made us hypocrites if we had all abided by the truce in front of all our readers and not told them how he had proposed it.<br /><br />That was what I wanted to avoid, especially as he specifically asked one other debater (see all debate in context) to precisely keep a debater on other side in the dark on what he had said.<br /><br />But there is more:<br /><br /><i>If I said something to you and said "please keep this private," that would naturally entail it shouldn't be broadcasted.</i><br /><br />Key word usually.<br /><br />But here we are dealing with:<br /><br />* public topic (construction of universe is hardly the private affair of someone believing it is constructed a certain way)<br />* public people (Ferrara himself, Sungenis, Rick DeLano, Robert Bennett (with two teas!), and in some respect even me<br />* a proposal involving the public behaviour of these people<br />* and at same time a proposal to keep this private.<br /><br />This is, as far as I can see, abusing, contrary to the natural law.<br /><br />We are not dealing with:<br /><br />* someone otherwise unknown<br />* in an as yet private aspect of life or private business<br />* and a proposal of merely private behaviour<br />* and me yet divulging all such private matters in public.<br /><br />I fully understand my behaviour was not good "business manners", but I consider his behaviour was not good "writers' manners" or "men of letters manners", as in writers or men of letters, correspondences are often made privately merely to enjoy the calm, while all are aware that it will be published at an opportune moment.<br /><br />If I had agreed with Ferrara, if I had even not objected, I would have made this subsequent publicisation of the correspondence (they are also free to publish their versions of it, if they like and the versions would differ, which I doubt insofar as they are honest), an act of betrayal against the trust I would then have invited him into.<br /><br />So, in a way his words were also a little trap for me.<br /><br />Because, the debate was per se not about Ferrara, not about secrecy, but about different takes on Geocentrism. Which you can verify, if you care to look at the rest of the messages in this series.Hans Georg Lundahlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01055583255516264955noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8937148205319262279.post-15164333942371137982015-03-13T18:47:11.840+01:002015-03-13T18:47:11.840+01:00I'm not sure what you mean. If I said somethin...I'm not sure what you mean. If I said something to you and said "please keep this private," that would naturally entail it shouldn't be broadcasted. It's not only common courtesy, it's somewhat a natural right. <br /><br />Usually what I see in these situations is when Person A says something to Person B in private, and then Person A proceeds to speak publicly in a hypocritical manner from what he said to Person B in private, then often times Person B will say "That's not what Person A said to me in email," which is where the can of worms is usually opened. But if Person A is not being hypocritical, then I see no reason for Person B to even bring up the private email.<br /><br />Nickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01453168437883536663noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8937148205319262279.post-57162181632732849042015-03-13T16:37:26.948+01:002015-03-13T16:37:26.948+01:00But the question again is: was the matter private ...But the question again is: was the matter private just because Ferrara declared it such?Hans Georg Lundahlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01055583255516264955noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8937148205319262279.post-83664124205092658642015-03-13T16:27:07.170+01:002015-03-13T16:27:07.170+01:00I am admittedly out of the loop on this matter. I ...I am admittedly out of the loop on this matter. I just get really antsy when I see private matters made public, especially because it's happened to me before where people have broadcasted private correspondence, and even though it was nothing scandalous it was a serious violation of confidence.<br /><br />I have tried to avoid the geocentrism issue like the plague, since I feel it falls into one of those categories where it's blown way out of proportion to the bigger issues we have at hand, especially promoting strong Catholic families. Nickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01453168437883536663noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8937148205319262279.post-36280943166723178992015-03-13T11:53:34.968+01:002015-03-13T11:53:34.968+01:00Btw, here is the correspondence with the guys star...Btw, here is the correspondence with the guys starting:<br /><br /><a href="http://correspondentia-ioannis-georgii.blogspot.fr/2015/03/with-david-palm-and-sungenis.html" rel="nofollow">With David Palm and Sungenis</a><br /><br />It is part 4 of this series, and it continues to part 7. This part one is an extract of the part 6. Or rather contains two such. Parts 2 and 3 concern my debates with John Médaille and Tom Trinko.Hans Georg Lundahlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01055583255516264955noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8937148205319262279.post-50027781212315147072015-03-13T10:46:47.654+01:002015-03-13T10:46:47.654+01:00Btw, you asked about "sinister motives"....Btw, you asked about "sinister motives". I never attributed such to him.<br /><br />I said something about his gesture being sinister, but I did not judge his motives.Hans Georg Lundahlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01055583255516264955noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8937148205319262279.post-1201770311702467212015-03-13T10:44:55.071+01:002015-03-13T10:44:55.071+01:00Nick, has it STILL eluded you that the matter at h...Nick, has it STILL eluded you that the matter at hand in the <i>private</i> email was:<br /><br />1) <b>public</b> future behaviour<br />2) of <b>public</b> and <b>publically both known and recognised</b> debaters, like Ferrara himself, like Sungenis, like Palm, etc?<br /><br />I think these criteria mean the proposal concerns precisely the <b>public</b>.<br /><br />It is not as if we were talking of a private person's future marriage or past crimes or secret sins.<br /><br />As to anonymity, I use the rule, a public person known by me as such, is published with name. A private person or one first presumed as such, I give initials to distinguish from other persons in debate, but not full name. With Tom Trinko, I first published his remarks under acronym TT, but when he told me he was writing for public newspapers, I corerected that to the full publically known name.<br /><br />As to detraction, it concerns:<br /><br />a) someone's real faults (if made up it is calumny rather than detraction);<br />b) and revealing them unnecessarily.<br /><br />In case this latter was the case, for one thing, he had not suffered what people usually suffer from detraction, but rather gotten support, and for another thing, in the correspondence, I notified him and offered him to make some kind of honourable amends for setting me before fait accompli.<br /><br />It seems he may in his secrecy and privacy made a detraction about me, unless his desire for me to get correction from the likes of you can be deemed a necessity. I think not.Hans Georg Lundahlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01055583255516264955noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8937148205319262279.post-16064008173178451572015-03-12T16:57:20.000+01:002015-03-12T16:57:20.000+01:00I am not understanding why the desire of keeping a...I am not understanding why the desire of keeping an Email confidential is a mark of sinister motives. By it's very nature, I don't think private correspondence is entitled to be public, and any publicizing should at the very least be kept anonymous. I'm not a moral theologian, but such a violation of a person's trust/confidence could fall under the umbrella of Detraction. Nickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01453168437883536663noreply@blogger.com