Thursday 23 November 2017

Mark Shea Wonders if Satanism Exists


Here he has an article:

I don’t believe for a second…
November 22, 2017 by Mark Shea
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/markshea/2017/11/dont-believe-second.html


Here is a question from that article:

"Why is every single 'former satanist' a 'high wizard' or 'high priest'? Are there no satanists who are just laymen and accountants?"


I don't know about that.

It could be Satanist laymen function as non-Satanists, not quite as initiated. Like, they could function as freemasons or as wiccans.

It could be apprenticed Satanists aren't allowed to be Satanists.

Check the novel Krabat by Otfried Preussler. The poor Krabat (historically based on a Catholic whose talents and rosaries struck his Lutheran tenants as proof of sorcery, and who was as much historically as mythically "delivered by the love of a virgin" - very different senses, though!) was as an apprentice not told who that "master miller" or whatever it was really was. Then he became everyday chief of that mill ("master miller"?) and he knew.

It could be, low grade Satanists, like low grade freemasons, on converting, are protected by the Christian groups, and only high rankers are better protected by coming out than by hiding. After all, if you didn't go very far, wouldn't you be better off as another trade than where you lived among Satanists, but still a normal trade, rather than making your conversion your trade? On the other hand, a very high ranking ex could be not having such an option.

It could be, Satanists, like Freemasons, have a certain addiction to fancy sounding titles* (OK, apprentice is a title with freemasons, I am not such or other one, btw, despite some perhaps trying to count me as such or paint me as such behind my back, but after that, titles start getting higher and higher, not just in grades, but in sounds : how many KKK have high sounding titles? As to the ex-KKK assembling the hoods of which a black "missionary" boasts of, they seem on the one hand to be generally low grade, but on the other hand also to be anonymous).

There are other things I have trouble believing about certain comings out. For instance about John Todd's claimed relation to Tolkien and C. S. Lewis. Especially curious the claim was not made till CSL had been dead 10 years and Tolkien was in his final illness (barring Purgatory, for participating in Novus Ordo, perhaps?) - the ones he accused could therefore not be confronted.

But if he could have been lying, he could also have been lied to. I believe, if such evil networks exist, they are not on every plane completely honest with their adepts. John Todd could have been paying someone whom he had been told was CSL (and carefully shielded from the fact that CSL was dead), even if it is more probable he was lying. If so, he could have been relatively honestly mistaken in his accusations against the Inklings. He could also have lied under duress, the Evangelicals who were helping him after his real or supposed defection could have been telling him they wanted to blacken the Inklings. Or, some other duress ...

"But… documentation, please? Proof. Evidence beyond this guy’s word and the word of people he has managed to convince of his yarn. Let’s see it."


OK, Satanists, by definition nearly, are a secret society. Some are coming out as having this conviction. The former manager of Helgon.net was just a sadist, regretting his strict heterosexuality, he had the user name Xenu. The present manager, one former user name Skallsprängd (skull exploded!) self identifies as a Satanist, a believer in the goddess and the horned god, that is why I am not going back to those forums, despite having enjoyed much Apologetics against people of that shade of conviction.

The present day Odinist Varg Vikernes, who was recently down fighting for Christians, Iraq, I think, had been a Satanist burning Churches in Norway before really getting caught for killing a fellow Satanist.

While one similar musical Satanist described this as pretty much theatre, I would not be sure the Father of Lies absolutely needs sincerity of believers in order to dominate them.

I have in the military been put with one - back then - Satanist, a former Greek Orthodox, and when I met him after military, he had become a Buddhist.

So, the conviction actually exists.

Melinda Barbour seems to have been, could still be, a low grade Satanist:

Exclusive: Craigslist Killer Miranda Barbour Tells How and Why She Killed
By Matthew Lysiak On 4/28/14 at 5:59 AM
http://www.newsweek.com/2014/05/09/exclusive-craigslist-killer-miranda-barbour-tells-how-and-why-she-killed-248670.html


She says she joined a satanic cult at the age of 12: “I kind of slid into it. But they weren’t just into Satan, there were into hating minorities too.” She insists Satanism has been a positive influence in her life and helped her harness that darkness inside of her—most of the time. “I worship a dark entity,” she explains, “but just because it is dark doesn’t mean that it is bad.”

She claims to have committed her first murder when she was 13. It was a man who owed money to her cult’s leader, whom she identifies only as Forest. She says she lured the man into a dark alley with the promise of sex, and Forest jumped out of the shadows and shot him. “Forest shot him in the chest, but he was still alive,” she says. “He put the gun in my hand. He put his finger over my finger and pulled the trigger.”

Miranda claims she became pregnant by a member of the cult that same year. The other cult members did not want her to have the baby, she says, so they tied her to a bed, gave her drugs and performed a gruesome in-house abortion. Before moving from Alaska, she says, she had to endure a brutal gang rape as the “exit fee” for leaving the cult. “There were only two ways out—by death or gang rape. I was pretty beat up.


I had missed the part about "exit fee". Nevertheless, she seems to have retained the same convictions. Including a hatred of "paedophiles", she helped kill a man because he still wanted sex after being told she was under 16. See link.**

Some people, I suspect, have had another type of exit fee, promising to lie and then to live up to that promise.

But if Zachary King is "lying" about Christmas or similar things, the answer could simply be, he was lied to. Cults like Satanists and Illuminati, insofar as they exist, adore power. Adoring power, they want to claim more of it than they have. They point their adepts to this or that or sundry (a very well known, popular thing) and tell him, "we are really behind that". He believes that while enjoying the game, and continues to believe it after quitting.

The problem with John Todd's claim about the music industry is, partly, he could have been told such a thing, while being "Druid" for a very rare (back then) client. And partly, once he spread it, Christians became warier about allowing theirs a musical carreer, and if certain music stars really have paid homage to Illuminati, this lie could be part of the reason. And the resuly is, Illuminati would be gaining power.

The solution is simple. A Christian need not forego secular music (unless he is religious, or part of a sect requiring lay members to live as religious, except for being married, and unless the dance or music is so extreme, in dance gestures or song lyrics or horror vibes he should avoid it even as a normal layman).

He can set up his own record company, because, if he can't, we would already be living, as far as music is concerned, in a world where no one can buy or sell except having a mark on his forehead or his hand, and that would normally still be just upcoming. And once he has a record company, he can of course make music and invite no Druids to "bless" the records. I think a company like Naxos was not even ever on John Todd's mind.***

And as to allegations about this or that common symbol, we owe the Church in France over centuries more credibility over a Triskell than we owe an ex-Satanist - even if he is a real one.

Did the clergy at any time try to forbid the Triskell is a very much more relevant question than what Zachary King thinks about the Triskell, even if he is an ex-Satanist. His pronunciation of Samhain is really not too Gaelic, for one.

Hans Georg Lundahl
Nanterre UL
St Clement I, Pope and Martyr
23.XI.2017

Notes:

* In case anyone considers my insistance on being a writer a similar addiction to titles, no, it is a work description. I am writing every day when I find a library with internet connection open, and I would like to start getting some pay for that.

** Just in case :

“People think I’m a monster, but I’ve done a lot of good.” She claims her murders spared “hundreds” of young girls from abuse. “The justice system doesn’t work, so I did what I did.”

That’s why she believes LaFerrara deserved to die. The 42-year-old electrical engineer ... first, Miranda says, she wanted to give LaFerrara an out, so she told him she had lied about her age, that she had just turned 16. If he had done the right thing at that moment, she says, he would still be alive. “Instead, he told me that it was OK.” He still wanted to have sex with her. ...


I have also cited the case here:

New blog on the kid : Are Satanists Very Moral?
http://nov9blogg9.blogspot.com/2016/05/are-satanists-very-moral.html


*** So, why am I, refusing to "take a mark" of modern, up to date, Vatican II-ism, or of Protestantism, either Evangelical or High Church, or of Freemasonry, still not having my compositions played?

musicalia : General index
http://hglundahlsmusik.blogspot.com/2009/08/general-index.html


They exist. They are not someone else's copyright. Six Ribbons Variations, which I wrote taking Six Ribbons for a traditional melody well after copyright, was not copied unto the musicalia blog. Whatever Jon English can have said about playing my compositions back when my variations on Six Ribbons were the "trademark" of my musical part of Antimodernism MSN Group, he cannot make such claims now, supposing he even did.

Dear St Cecily, thanks for giving me an opportunity to mention it!/HGL

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