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et quomodo nos audivimus unusquisque linguam nostram, in qua nati sumus Parthi, et Medi, et Aelamitae, et qui habitant Mespotamiam, Judaeam, et Cappadociam, Pontum, et Asiam ...?
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Hélicopter de Président Raïssi Accidenté

Iran : accident d'un hélicoptère présidentiel, les secours recherchent Ebrahim Raïssi
euronews (en français) | 19 mai 2024
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_9J8H5ogdg

Avait-il fâché Poutine ?

Je pense à Zia ul Haqq et à Lech Kaczyński .../HGL

Can Old Earthers Still Believe Mankind Was Created 10 000 Years Ago?

[Published on Pentecost Day:] New blog on the kid: Can Old Earthers Still Believe Mankind Was Created 10 000 Years Ago? · Creation vs. Evolution: Why is Fr. Robinson against Young Earth Creationism? · Assorted retorts from yahoo boards and elsewhere: SSPX News (feat. Andrew and Fr. Robinson) Try to Defend Old Earth Creationism · Fr. Robinson, Part 2 · Fr. Robinson Attacking Biblical Chronology (But Not Special Creation of Man) (the last one was actually for the afternoon, but here we go)

First, we are not speaking of "theological mankind" in some kind of Swamidass perspective. We speak of the real creation of the first creatures that we would based on anatomy recognise as or suspect to be people.

Second, did they ever?

Apparently, yes.

Here are two old earth creationists in Catholic Encyclopedia, 1913:

1) In fact, M. Guibert is of opinion that with our present knowledge there is nothing compelling us to extend the existence of man beyond 10,000 years. Such questions as the antiquity of civilization, which had reached a high pitch in Babylonia and Egypt 4000 years B. C., the radical differences of language at the same early period, differences of race (cf. the white, black, and yellow races), which do not seem to have been modified within the historic period, and the remains of human workmanship going back to a very remote antiquity — all these things seem to lead to the conclusion that the existence of man on earth goes back far beyond the traditional 4,000 years.

2) Professor Driver says ("Genesis", p. xxxvi): "Upon the most moderate estimate it cannot be less than 20,000 years."

Catholic Encyclopedia : Biblical Chronology
https://www.newadvent.org/cathen/03731a.htm

I think we can dismiss "20 000 years" unless there was a lost very longlived civilisation preserving the Genesis 3 account in writing, like if there were such a thing on Atlantis.

10 000 years sounds more like Biblical chronology, even if it doubles the time from Adam to Abraham compared to LXX.

Now, can we get there with Old Earth today?

We need to understand that Neanderthals are men, since many of us share genes with them. Not "all of us" like say the genes we share with apes, or dogs, which could be explained by the common creator, but many of us. Neanderthals are ancestral to some and not to others. Also, since we have traces of human behaviour. Hashtag, division between vegetarians, pescetarians, ritual cannibals, burial in red ochre, good tools, keeping a man found in Shanidar alive after he became one armed. They descended from Adam and Eve.

We must next understand that Denisovans are men, since somewhat fewer of us share genes with them. Also, they have made children with Neanderthals, also, their genome is close to Antecessor in Atapuerca, whose anatomy is close to Heidelbergians, and these between them as well as Denisovans have shown human behaviour. Ritual cannibalism in Atapuerca, building beautiful shelters in Terra Amata, toolmaking ... near a Denisovan remains, a very well made bone needle was found. They descended from Adam and Eve.

Homo heidelbergensis hunted large animals for food although the hides may also have been useful, especially in colder areas. The fossilised bones of these animals have shown that large animals including rhinos, hippopotamus, bears, horses and deer were targeted. These animals were skilfully hunted then butchered in an orderly fashion that suggests that these people were working in co-operative groups.

Homo heidelbergensis
Australian Museum : Author(s) Fran Dorey Updated 28/06/21
https://australian.museum/learn/science/human-evolution/homo-heidelbergensis/

The reason Denisovans aren't classed as Heidelbergians, the reason Atapuerca Antecessors aren't classed as Denisovan or even as Heidelbergians by all, is mainly the sharp difference of age. If all of these came from the Flood, that would fall somewhat flat. Pun intended.

So, what about them descending from Adam and Eve? We can put them into the last 10 000 years like 100 years ago?

Well, they are carbon dated, in some examples. The youngest body parts or bodies of Neanderthals and Denisovans are carbon dated to c. 40 000 years ago.

This means, they are presumed to have had an original sample value near 100 pmC, which takes seven halflives, seven times 5730 years, to get to a level of 0.78 pmC, which we can measure.

How much lower than 100 pmC can the carbon level have been if the Earth is Very Old? I think 50 pmC is already over the top (or if you prefer under the bottom) and 25 pmC is Quixotically unrealistic.

Let me tell you why. 100 pmC is not a natural constant. But it is a quasi constant, resulting from a balance of two opposed factors, the actual constant which is the decay rate or half life (mathemetically they differ, but they refer in different ways to the same physical reality), which applies to the "sample in the atmosphere" as much as to any sealed off samples. The other factor, which is not a constant, is the amount of cosmic rays that reach us, and the density of Nitrogen 14 the particles can target in the outer atmosphere. However, if there was no major upheaval evne affecting the atmosphere, in the Flood, there would be no reason for the density of Nitrogen 14 to have been different. If there are no angelic movers of heavenly bodies, and Old Earthers tend to go with Modern Cosmology, there is not much that would point to the input of cosmic rays being different either.

But 25 pmC will only account for making the sample 11 460 years older than dated. If you halve that to get to 12.5 pmC, you already need to be dealing with a fairly new atmosphere. You might as well in that case go down to the level I propose, they are just 5000 years old, and the original content was 1.45 pmC, accounting for 35 000 extra years. Then, between the Flood and the Fall of Troy, the medium rate of production was 5 times higher than now, going so high as 20 times higher in parts of the time from Flood to Babel. It slowed down considerably, though not yet totally to present rate, between Fall of Jericho and Fall of Troy.

As said, if the atmosphere had been 100 000 years old or 1 000 000 or 1 000 000 000 years old or more, we would very likely not had as low a level as 25 pmC at any point in the relevant past. More radioactivity may to some extent speed up decay, but it will also contaminate Carbon 12, so the net effect is you will get more Carbon 14, not less. And 11 460 years without any cosmic rays hitting the atmosphere at all is certainly unrealistic too. So, even 25 pmC is lower than the atmosphere could get. But that would just eliminate 11 460 years, leaving 28 540 for the Neanderthal skeleta and at least 1500 years earlier, 30 000 BP, for Adam and Eve.

Cases where a Book was written in the light of the information which the writer already possesses from natural sources, without special research, are found in the Epistles, and also apparently in the instance of Genesis. Moses would seem to have put into writing the traditions that had been preserved, perhaps in writing or perhaps in the memory of the people, and it is probable that the young children were taught the story by their parents, in the way in which it was ordered that the remembrance of the deliverance from Egypt should be kept alive. (Exodus xii. 26, 27.) The history of the Creation cannot have been known except by revelation; but there is no reason to suppose that this revelation was made to Moses. More probably it was made to Adam, and became known to Moses through human sources. When we speak thus of history having come down to Moses by tradition, we do not mean to imply that there was any special guarantee that the whole of this traditional history should be preserved free from corruption; the case is not like that of the Tradition by which the knowledge of the Christian Revelation is preserved, free from admixture of error, in the Church ; it is enough that God's providence preserved Moses from being misled by any errors that may have crept into the current account.

Creation vs. Evolution: Sylvester Joseph Hunter on Genesis, Henry Morris on 15 Cubits
LD 5.V.2024 | Hans Georg Lundahl 4:59 AM
https://creavsevolu.blogspot.com/2024/05/sylvester-joseph-hunter-on-genesis.html

Haydock reckons the same for Genesis 3. And this has implications, as I noted under a video by Fr. Robinson:

If one accepts 40 000 years, I think that would be fatal.

a) Trojan War was two periods of together c. 700 years before the sons of Peisistratos put it into writing, Homer being the division and coming about halfway. Note, while I defend Homeric truth, I think Homer did some distortion too. According to Walter Leaf, all about Achilles and Hector, indeed all about Hector, was added for human interest. At least an option.
b) Homer to sons of Peisistratos, if not in years, at least in generational overlaps, is comparable to Haydock's Adam to Moses or my Adam to Abraham.
c) Kosovo Polje to 1928 when Milman Parry wrote is 639 years. That's somewhat longer than Homer to sons of Peisistratos, but not twice.

So, a faithful transmission purely orally of 40 000 years, I think is out of question.

It's not just a question of learning by heart, but language and concepts would change a lot in that amount of time, and that would imply distortions that accumulate. For a faithful transmission of Genesis 3, stick with Young Earth. And that chapter is so important, like both Original Sin and Mary's sinlessness.

Let me add here, so would a transmission across 28 500 years be, from Adam to Moses ... or 28 000 years, from Adam to Abraham. And, of course, as said at the outset, 20 000 years.

A scenario in which mankind had well organised but lost prehistoric civilisations would help some ... but not all that much. One would in that case basically want to extend sth like the Nodian civilisation as long as possible, but a Sethite version. The problem becomes, if there is a carbon date that fits several items of the Flood, it's more arguably 40 000 BP than 10 000 BP. And after the Flood, you have technology loss, unless you add some kind of Atlantis like parallel to the Palaeolithic remains we find.

So, you want a faithful transmission of Genesis 3 to Abraham and Moses, what you don't want is people actually having lived 40 000 years ago. You want the carbon date reinterpreted to sth acceptable, you don't want the atmosphere to be 100 000 years or more older than Adam.

Hans Georg Lundahl
Paris
Wednesday in the Pentecost Novena
15.V.2024

Will be published on Pentecost. / Was published.

Et Rochette m'avertit contre ceux qui me pensent vraiment nul, dans le sens populaire ...

Pardon, Delorme, vous venez de m'appeler "nul" ? — Et Rochette m'avertit contre ceux qui me pensent vraiment nul, dans le sens populaire ...

Le Larousse en ligne se limite à quelques mots quant à notre sujet, quelques mots axiologiquement neutres, sans jugement de valeur : « Se dit de quelqu’un qui récuse la version communément admise d’un événement et cherche à démontrer que celui-ci résulte d’un complot fomenté par une minorité active. » Les spécialistes académiques du vocabulaire ne font que décrire la caractéristique commune de tous les complotistes, sans asséner l’idée selon laquelle leur façon d’étudier une problématique serait fausse ou haineuse, et sans amalgamer tous les conspirationnistes (autres noms des complotistes) dans une seule et même catégorie psychiatrique.

Il y a donc des gens qui, contrairement au Larousse considèrent que le complotisme soit reprochable.

Page 5, Rivarol N° 3614, il en parle, et c'est là qu'il cite le Larousse par contraste.

Mais il y a des gens qu'on décrit ainsi pour peu de raison.

Tout d'abord, la présence de vie, de conscience humaine, de variation dans les formes de vie, d'un soleil qui brille dessus le jour, la nuit qui les enduit en repos par le sombre (pour pas mal des espèces et des spécimens), de saisons qui permettent une meilleure maturation de certains processus biologiques, je ne suis pas sûr que Larousse les considère comme "événements" dans la signification visée par cette définition. Les deux tours de l'onze septembre 2001 seraient mieux placées pour y correspondre.

Ensuite, je ne suis pas non plus sûr que Dieu et ses anges seraient à considérer comme une minorité active ou ... bon quelque part, si Dieu commande les anges, et les athées en ignorent tout, ça devient à la limite un complot vis-à-vis eux ("surtout en rien avertir les athées que tu brilles sur ma commande !" — "pas de souci, mon Dieu, ils ne se rendent compte de rien !"), ou quelque chose ...

On peut donc recuser une version communément admise (par exemple 1) matérialisme des corps célestes et des pouvoirs qui gèrent leurs mouvements, 2) héliocentrisme, 3) évolution de l'homme des singes) sans que ça constitue un complotisme.

Par contre, en recusant la version communément admise que j'aliène les gens en étant complotiste en ces choses, je suis en train de parler d'un complot pour peindre les Géocentriques et les Créationnistes Jeune Terre comme des complotistes, et ceci semble être le cas depuis quelque décennies, par exemple depuis les années 1990 ... avant ça, les Scientifiques soutenant la synthèse néo-darwiniste avaient davantage le goût de débattre les Créationnistes, et moins le goût de les marginaliser.

Merci, M. Rochette !

Et pour ceux qui prétendraient que je fasse du complotisme réel vis-à-vis les scientifiques, que je les soupçonne d'avoir tous en tête la vérité du créationnisme et donc d'être malhonnêtes quand ils se déclarent croyants du néo-darwinisme, pas du tout. Je pense qu'un homme peut être incompétent en absence de collectivité ou malgré la sienne, mais aussi en commun avec, par exemple les biologistes qui soutiennent que nous descendions de singes comme Orrorrin.

Hans Georg Lundahl
Paris
Veille de Pentecôte
18.V.2024

Pardon, Delorme, vous venez de m'appeler "nul" ?

Pardon, Delorme, vous venez de m'appeler "nul" ? — Et Rochette m'avertit contre ceux qui me pensent vraiment nul, dans le sens populaire ...

À NOTRE époque bénie, nul ne se revendique du passé, et tout le monde ne prétend se préoccuper que de l’avenir.

Avec une capuche gothique, une culotte renaissance / rococo, un menté / une pelisse de hussard ... ce n'est pas du futur que je me revendique !

Et quand un problème concerne en effet l'avenir, je cherche normalement la solution dans le passé.

Par exemple, dénatalité => je cherche en Italie 1930, Codice Rocco ... ou l'interdit de contraceptifs et de l'avortement en Espagne avant 1978 et 1985. Ou ce que fut l'Irlande avant 2016 ... en suédois j'épèle en ignorant les quatres derniers bouleversements de l'orthographe (boîte* devient boett, début 19e, pas chez moi, sjel et hest** deviennent själ et häst, fin 19e, pas chez moi, "hvad gaf du?"*** devient "vad gav du" en 1907, pas chez moi, "vi voro"° devient "vi var" en 1950, pas chez moi) et un groupuscule de mes compatriotes sur quora aime détester ça, je viens d'avoir une "correction" que "intet" n'ait pas été "vieux suédois" pour "inte" ... ce qui est faux.

D'abord, je n'écris pas "vieux suédois" pour la bonne raison que ceci n'existe pas. Et je n'écris pas "ancien suédois" (environ les mêmes siècles que l'ancien français classique) non plus. J'évite juste des réformes que je considère comme abusifs. Ensuite, le bon mot pour "pas" en suédois, c'est "icke" mais "inte" est le mot populaire, et ce qu'il ignorait est que son étymologie est effectivement "intet" = "rien", dans une tournure populaire qui correspond à "en rien" et avec une prononciation très populaire, comme "någe" ou "mycke" pour "något" et "mycket" ...

Je me fais également quasi traiter comme fou par une Alicia Hernandez, pour mon refus de traiter l'Empire romain comme une chose dans le passé lointain°° ou ses lois (maintenues plus ou moins jusqu'alors) comme ayant un rapport normatif avec mon système de valeurs.°°° En gros, je souffre quasiment plus ou moins un petit martyre pour mon insistance de me revendiquer du passé./HGL

PS. La citation en haut est de Rivarol n° 3614./HGL

* En suédois le mot se réfère à boîte d'horlogerie uniquement, et se prononce comme à l'Ancienne régime. Il s'agit des mots empruntés du français qui s'épèlent comme s'ils étaient suédois. Ce n'était pas le cas sous Gustave III.
** Sjel = âme, hest = cheval. Le son ä (è ou ê) est suffisamment marqué par la position voyelle brève ou la position après yod.
*** La réforme d'orthographe par le savant Fridtjuv Bergh octroyé par Oscar II, qui avait probablement voulu la ridiculiser et faire capoter par résistance populaire.
° Les formes du pluriel des verbes abolis par décret en 1950 (c'étaient des formes dans l'écrit, comme le passé simple en français, "vi voro" = "nous étions" ...
°° Je considère que les deux chutes en 476 et 1453 étaient juste partielles, et que la chute finale de toute partie était en 1918, quand Charles I quitta Hofburg, quand Nicolas II fut fusillé, tandis qu'en France la chute était plutôt en 1830.
°°° Assorted retorts from yahoo boards and elsewhere: Let's Hope Alicia Hernandez is Not Around Where I Am
Posted by Hans Georg Lundahl at 4:53 PM Saturday, May 11, 2024
https://assortedretorts.blogspot.com/2024/05/lets-hope-alicia-fernandez-is-not.html

Statistiques d'un mois

Pays, derniers 30 jours jusqu'au 16.V.2024		Posts, derniers 30 jours jusqu'au 17.V.2024
Hong Kong 863 + 97 + 955 + 1 + 78 + 23 + 130 + 380 + 53 = 2580 = 2,58 k 2,58 k + 3,14 k + 2,33 k + 1,63 k + 2,76 k + 9,44 k + 2,21 k = 24,09 k -> 803 par jour États-Unis 936 + 119 + 230 + 802 + 20 + 20 + 73 + 15 + 32 + 21 + 17 + 20 + 163 + 323 + 37 + 45 + 227 + 30 + 61 + 138 + 34 + 24 + 27 + 26 + 26 + 22 + 51 + 74 + 44 + 152 + 223 + 10 + 70 + 159 + 40 + 49 + 899 + 96 + 61 + 70 + 29 = 5515 = 5,52 k 5,52 k + 1,27 k = 6,79 k -> 226 par jour Autre 21 + 3 + 1 + 15 + 6 + 24 + 20 + 14 + 19 + 3 + 644 + 126 + 216 + 172 + 4 + 418 + 61 + 17 + 831 + 181 + 115 + 36 + 295 + 133 + 433 + 82 + 22 + 179 + 527 + 46 + 7 + 3 + 202 + 198 + 18 + 8 + 857 + 985 = 6942 = 6,94 k 6,94 k + 1,1 k + 2,4 k + 3,09 k = 13,53 k		... commenting on Bates and Lynch, UFOs and St Patrick 362 · Guest Book Back Up / Livre d'Or de Réserve 246 · A Discussion on one of the subjects of Glossa Ordinaria "Mary is the New Eve" 235 · Discussion on Sedevacantism / Orthopapism, not quite the same thing 196 · Vers un vieux post 158 (FR) Is Romanides accurate? 81 · verba praeteriti imperfecti indicativus, futuri indicativus 70 (LAT) · Boarding Schools are Close to Hell, Harry 63 · Blogs from Countries Where I have Readers, part III, Romania to Turkey 63 · What I did not write, and where you can find it 45 full url : version / présentation : pleins urls 44 · Commenting, but not linking : female teachers sleeping with students 40 · Conditions, comment les imprimer/how to print them 39 · Y a-t-il des Suédois qui poussent à me traiter de, soit toxicomane, soit fou ? 37 (FR) · Désolé, Sergueï, 34 (FR)
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Allemagne 11 + 63 + 9 + 11 + 8 + 9 + 6 + 3 + 9 + 3 + 49 + 13 + 30 + 3 + 8 + 5 + 5 + 9 + 6 + 13 + 4 + 44 + 3 + 7 + 4 + 11 + 8 + 38 + 3 + 8 + 11 + 2 + 8 + 5 + 6 + 9 + 11 + 9 + 5 + 12 + 10 = 491 Singapour 245 + 2 + 6 + 5 + 2 + 4 + 3 + 1 + 20 + 11 + 5 + 10 + 1 + 9 + 1 + 2 + 4 + 2 + 4 + 4 + 32 + 9 + 21 + 3 = 406 Ukraine 1 + 247 + 14 + 2 + 18 + 4 = 286 Pays-Bas 2 + 2 + 5 + 2 + 4 + 12 + 7 + 2 + 8 + 4 + 1 + 5 + 4 + 4 + 4 + 2 + 2 + 2 + 6 + 6 + 12 + 5 + 9 + 4 + 6 + 6 + 2 + 6 + 4 + 6 + 4 + 4 + 9 + 6 + 49 + 6 + 4 + 2 + 5 = 233 Irlande 39 + 4 + 2 + 7 + 5 + 1 + 17 + 1 + 5 + 6 + 1 + 3 + 1 + 10 + 7 + 3 + 7 + 6 + 1 + 3 + 2 + 1 + 7 + 3 + 1 = 143 Autriche 124 + 1 + 7 + 2 + 7 = 141 Seychelles 1 + 2 + 1 + 3 + 2 + 4 + 15 + 3 + 17 + 5 + 1 + 19 + 5 + 2 + 1 + 5 + 3 + 4 + 17 + 1 + 10 + 5 + 8 + 1 + 3 = 138 Iran 9 + 3 + 3 + 1 + 19 + 2 + 3 + 2 + 8 = 50 Suisse 2 + 2 + 2 + 2 + 4 + 5 + 2 + 2 + 2 + 1 + 2 + 3 + 2 + 2 + 2 + 2 + 2 + 2 + 1 + 2 = 44 Corée du Sud 13 + 10 + 7 + 8 + 1 + 4 = 43 Italie 2 + 1 + 1 + 2 + 3 + 3 + 3 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 18 + 2 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 = 43 Suède 4 + 2 + 4 + 6 + 9 + 1 + 4 + 6 + 1 = 37 Roumanie 1 + 9 + 1 + 12 + 7 + 1 + 2 = 33 Brésil 1 + 21 + 1 + 3 = 26 Espagne 10 + 2 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 4 + 1 + 1 + 2 + 1 = 25 Indonésie 20 + 1 + 1 + 1 = 23 Lituanie = 19 Australie 1 + 6 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 6 = 18 Viêt Nam 1 + 1 + 9 + 6 = 17 Lettonie = 13 Serbie 2 + 8 = 10 Tanzanie 3 + 6 = 9 Tchéquie 5 + 1 + 2 = 8 Pakistan 1 + 3 + 3 = 7 Finlande 1 + 2 + 2 + 1 = 6 Turquie 1 + 2 + 2 = 5 Pologne 1 + 1 + 2 + 1 = 5 Panama 2 + 1 + 1 + 1 = 5 Pays de quatre vues Taïwan, Myanmar (Birmanie), Bangladesh = 12 Pays de trois vues Andorre, Géorgie = 6 Pays de deux vues Azerbaïdjan, Kenya, Portugal, Monaco, Madagascar, Kazakhstan, Belgique, Arménie, Costa Rica, Norvège = 20 Pays d'une vue Danemark, Argentine, Croatie, Japon, Cambodge, Maroc = 6 Sous-total 1903 + 1818 + 1386 + 1209 + 1195 + 910 + 732 + 491 + 406 + 286 + 233 + 143 + 141 + 138 + 50 + 44 + 43 + 43 + 37 + 33 + 26 + 25 + 23 + 19 + 18 + 17 + 13 + 10 + 12 + 20 + 9 + 8 + 7 + 6 + 5 + 5 + 5 + 6 + 6 = 11481 = 11,48 k Total 24,09 k + 6,79 k + 13,53 k + 11,48 k = 55,89 k -> 1863 par jour Club 21 21 États-Unis, 1, Autre, 1, Royaume-Uni 3, Brésil, 1, Singapour 1 63 Royaume-Uni, 1, Allemagne, 1 84 Chine, 1 126 Autre, 1 210 Royaume-Uni, 1 1386 (21 * 66) = le total pour Royaume-Uni		Bonum Festum Inventionis Crucis 22 (LAT) · Statistiques de deux semaines 22 (FR) · Provisional Caveat to Previous 22 · Bac + 5 ? 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Wikipedia searches are not exactly relying on AI

Wikipedian articles are written by human input, and when bots are concerned, they are usually importing from the wikipedia in another language by computer translation, and human inputters are very likely to very quickly correct the mistakes in the translation. Or villages in Iran getting added per a bot, presumably from some database or lexicon.

But the thing with wikipedia is, you quickly reach out to new information, if you want to:

I Made a Graph of Wikipedia... This Is What I Found
adumb | 30 March 2024
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JheGL6uSF-4

While there are bots that will link pages, the vast majority of links internal to the wiki and probably near totality of those to outside pages are added manually, by users of the wikipedia./HGL

Yossef Ovadia maudit Israël

Le Rabbi Ovadia a déclaré au sujet des Palestiniens : « Puissent-ils disparaître de la Terre. Puisse Dieu envoyer un fléau aux Palestiniens, ces enfants d’Ismaël, ces vils ennemis d’Israël. » (9)

(9) Courrier International, Les dérapages incontrôlés du rabbin Ovadia Yossef, 10/09/2010.

Rivarol N° 3614, p. 4.

Le problème est, ce n'est pas vrai. Pour les Palestiniens, ils ne sont qu'à 7 % des Arabes Péninsulaires, donc Ismaëlites.

Ils descendent en majeur partie des Israëlites d'il y a 2000 ans. C'est donc Israël qu'il venait de maudire./HGL

Statistiques d'une semaine

7 jours à l'11 mai 2024		7 jours au 12 mai 2024
Hong Kong 194 + 380 + 172 + 285 + 360 + 353 + 14 + 4 + 310 + 26 + 375 + 12 + 199 + 1 = 2685 États-Unis 169 + 3 + 7 + 7 + 5 + 8 + 1 + 7 + 108 + 13 + 261 + 149 + 21 + 13 + 3 + 26 + 6 + 18 + 24 + 9 + 9 + 33 + 8 + 16 + 3 + 4 + 5 + 4 + 5 + 4 + 9 + 13 + 8 + 25 + 2 + 4 + 15 + 38 + 29 + 9 + 7 = 1108 Russie 4 + 1 + 133 + 207 + 32 + 5 + 1 + 3 + 14 + 5 + 1 + 22 = 428 Royaume-Uni 1 + 3 + 14 + 8 + 7 + 1 + 1 + 11 + 1 + 6 + 3 + 13 + 1 + 3 + 2 + 10 + 6 + 7 + 8 + 12 + 4 + 1 + 13 + 4 + 10 + 15 + 10 + 12 + 7 + 4 + 86 + 19 + 2 + 22 = 327 Israël 30 + 2 + 2 + 37 + 10 + 33 + 15 + 11 + 42 + 55 + 21 = 258		Is Romanides accurate? 78 · ... commenting on Bates and Lynch, UFOs and St Patrick 71 · A Discussion on one of the subjects of Glossa Ordinaria "Mary is the New Eve" 52 · Guest Book Back Up / Livre d'Or de Réserve 47 · Vers un vieux post (FR) 42 Discussion on Sedevacantism / Orthopapism, not quite the same thing 38 · Blogs from Countries Where I have Readers, part III, Romania to Turkey 24 · ... on Varied Retelling of Myths (starring Jackson Crawford) 23 · Debate with Introibo 21 · Bonum Festum Ascensionis Domini 20 A Dialogue Under One Comment 17 · Suspecting Soviet Imperialism ... 17 · Boarding Schools are Close to Hell, Harry 17 · What Are False Visions? 16 · verba praeteriti imperfecti indicativus, futuri indicativus (LAT) 16 Trent Horn Answers Allie Beth Stuckey (and I Compete With Him) 14 · Perú, Conquistadores, ¿Peró antes? (ESP) 14 · Trent Horn Came Out Attacking YEC Argumentation 13 · What I did not write, and where you can find it 11 · Commenting, but not linking : female teachers sleeping with students 11
Canada 2 + 11 + 13 + 2 + 2 + 6 + 1 + 5 + 4 + 2 + 5 + 31 + 1 + 4 + 28 + 1 + 3 + 1 + 20 + 2 + 2 + 4 + 2 + 2 + 1 + 2 + 2 + 2 = 161		Inde 1 + 2 + 5 + 6 + 3 + 2 + 4 + 7 + 3 + 6 + 2 + 40 + 2 + 3 + 2 + 4 + 3 + 5 + 3 + 1 + 1 + 5 + 1 + 4 + 2 + 6 + 1 + 1 + 3 + 4 + 24 + 1 + 2 = 159
France 1 + 1 + 2 + 48 + 29 + 19 + 1 + 4 + 6 + 2 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 2 + 18 + 4 = 140 Singapour 4 + 3 + 8 + 1 + 1 + 6 + 1 + 2 + 111 = 137 Allemagne 2 + 2 + 2 + 3 + 6 + 4 + 2 + 21 + 2 + 3 + 9 + 3 + 6 + 4 + 2 + 5 + 3 + 1 + 6 + 1 + 4 + 2 = 93 Pays-Bas 2 + 2 + 2 + 2 + 2 + 1 + 2 + 2 + 1 + 2 + 2 + 4 + 4 + 2 + 2 + 2 + 4 = 38 Ukraine = 38 Chine 3 + 1 + 2 + 2 + 9 + 5 + 1 + 13 = 36 Seychelles 2 + 3 + 3 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 14 + 2 + 3 + 1 + 3 = 36 Suède 4 + 5 + 3 + 3 + 6 + 1 + 3 + 3 = 28 Roumanie 1 + 5 + 8 + 1 + 1 + 2 = 18 Autriche 13 + 1 + 2 = 16 Irlande 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 3 + 1 + 3 = 13 Suisse 1 + 1 + 2 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 = 11 Italie 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 3 + 1 + 1 = 11 Australie 2 + 4 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 = 10 Corée du Sud 3 + 2 + 2 + 1 = 8 Iran 1 + 1 + 1 + 2 + 2 + 1 = 8 Viêt Nam 4 + 3 + 1 = 8 Pays de quatre vues Myanmar (Birmanie), Finlande = 8 Pays de trois vues Espagne, Îles Vierges britanniques, Tchéquie, Lettonie = 12 Pays de deux vues Panama, Japon, Brésil, Tanzanie, Hongrie, Andorre, Turquie, Azerbaïdjan, Norvège = 18 Pays d'une vue Arménie, Danemark, Estonie, Chili, Maroc, Taïwan, Monaco, Norvège, Pakistan, Argentine, Macédoine du Nord, Philippines = 12		Club 21 840 Geigende Wehmut 420 L'argument de C. S. Lewis (FR) 168 Les instructions pour écrire des romans ... (FR) · Dimanche et Décapitation de S Jean Baptiste, 29-VIII-2004, Burgos - Tardajos (FR) · Dimanche le 3-X-2004 Palas do Rei - Santiago de Boente - Ribadiso (FR) 126 Sudoku · I was wrong. · Sortez les Ducobu de l'École, S'Ils Veulent! 105 URL en lettres gothiques (FR) · Les Troubadours de Roc-à-Pic et le film Méchant Malade (FR) · L's.d.f. a l'air (FR) · Paresseux? Beaucoup. (FR) 84 Les flics, gardiens (FR) · Je veux bien faire choses (FR) · Tom Pankhurst's Guide to Schenkerian Analysis - Link 63 Allemagne moins riche en BD originales que la Suède (FR) · Pourquoi pas des BD pour adultes? (FR) · Le Schtroumpf paresseux (FR) · Le démon d'après-midi / Florence Cestac (FR) 42 Welsh Viking on Medieval Peasants — He's Occasionally Inaccurate or Off · Sir Colin Humphreys Basically Agrees with Me on Last Supper · Why Chesterton Was Right · Colin (Not a Pastor) on Fight For Truth Had a Better Take · Sharing Again : Middle Ages Someone Thought He was More Merciful than God (not than the one he believes in, but than the One Who revealed Himself) · Atheist Provides Some Comic Interlude, When I Argue Against Josh McDowell That Age of the Earth is by Now an Essential, or At Least Close to Them · Et à Vienne, Autriche, quelles BD? (FR) 21 Quelque F O U R B E est en train de ... (FR) · Olof Palme, 1983. Biden, 2024? · Again, God Bless Queen Margerethe! · Gaza (FR) · Hear Levi Pingleton! Sharing from Babylon Bee · Four points by John Deighan · Easter Week is Over, Easter Season is Not · Sharing on Candace Owens · Prison and Psychiatry Production Palm Sunday to End of April 2024 · Bonum Festum Inventionis Crucis (LAT) · Japan Went the Wrong Way · Scandale policière (FR) · Bonum Festum Ascensionis Domini (LAT) Kim Iversen was overall pretty correct, wrong on some detail, though, Naftali Bennet was wrong · Adam, Eve, and Early Humans (amp; More Weird Questions) - Jimmy Akin's Mysterious World — I listened and commented · Flood Related · Tovia Singer Fails to Discredit the Gospels · Un rationnaliste prétendu prétendait rationnel de ne pas admettre Dieu (FR) Durupınar Site is Geographically Possible, but the Drogue Stones are a Bad Argument · Pour Tintinophiles : Bob Garcia (FR) · Glories of Mary · My New Tables And Their Theoretical Background, Discussed with Matthew Hunt and Ken Wolgemuth
Autre 115 + 1 + 2 + 122 + 14 + 20 + 6 + 21 + 2 + 38 + 23 + 5 + 8 + 1 + 3 + 1 + 4 + 2 + 20 + 30 + 19 + 3 + 24 + 11 + 4 + 107 + 68 + 8 + 3 + 10 + 157 + 152 + 26 = 1030		Total 2685 + 1108 + 428 + 258 + 327 + 161 + 159 + 140 + 137 + 93 + 38 + 38 + 36 + 36 + 28 + 18 + 16 + 13 + 11 + 11 + 10 + 8 + 8 + 8 + 8 + 12 + 18 + 12 + 1030 = 6855

Bonum Festum Ascensionis Domini

Christifidelibus lectoribus exopto./HGL

usque in diem, qua praecipiens Apostolis per Spiritum Sanctum, quos elegit, assumptus est
Actis Apostolorum, in capite 1^mo verso 2^ndo.

Debate with Introibo

His original post, under which the debate took place:

Introibo Ad Altare Dei: Una Cum
Posted by Introibo Ad Altare Dei at 3:11 AM Monday, July 10, 2017
https://introiboadaltaredei2.blogspot.com/2017/07/una-cum.html

The debate:

Hans Georg Lundahl

July 10, 2017 at 7:32 AM

I was under somewhat false pretenses lured into attending an SSPX Mass last Wednesday.

I knelt, because of the canon prayer and transsubstantiation and presence of Christ.

I also did NOT answer the prayers, like the Amen after Pater or Blessing.

Anonymous

July 10, 2017 at 12:58 PM

If a valid priest/Bishop & the SSPX is all that is available,please attend that chapel regularly!

Its better than not going I promise you.

We are blessed to have a sede chapel that celebrates the pre-1950 rubrics,holy week,etc...

If the SSPX with a valid priest was all I had available,I would attend every week!

Hans Georg Lundahl

July 11, 2017 at 3:05 AM

Pope Michael is against it.

Introibo Ad Altare Dei

July 11, 2017 at 3:08 AM

LOL! You have a good sense of humor George!

---Introibo

Hans Georg Lundahl

July 13, 2017 at 6:39 AM

Like Buster Keaton, often not intended on my part.

Like this time.

Introibo Ad Altare Dei

July 13, 2017 at 10:43 PM

Well of course "Pope" Michael is against Una Cum, because he delusionally thinks HE is the pope and should be mentioned! Any one who thinks his mommy, daddy, two nice neighbors and Theresa Benns (the ersatz "theologian" who set up the farmhouse "conclave") can make him "pope" has serious issues, no matter how nice and well intentioned.

---Introibo

Tom A.

July 23, 2017 at 6:16 AM

Anyone who thinks a bunch of heretics dressed up as Catholic cardinals can make someone a pope also has serious issues. While I am not a proponent of Michael being Pope, at least he was alledgedly elected by Catholics. We know that Bergolio was elected by modernists. So who's claim to the papacy is more valid?

Introibo Ad Altare Dei

July 23, 2017 at 6:56 AM

Tom, I'd have to respectfully say neither has a claim on the papacy. The reasons for Bergoglio you mentioned. For David Bawden ("Pope" Michael) it takes more than six lay Catholics (three WOMEN among them) to make a "conclave" Yet I take your point--Bergoglio is completely unCatholic. An apostate elected by a group of heretics, each of whom was appointed by a heretic. Bawden may be whacky but he is closer to authentic Catholicism than Bergoglio. God bless, ---Introibo

Tom A.

July 23, 2017 at 6:56 PM

Yes Bawden may be misguided, but at least he professs the Catholic faith. He also saw that the logical next step to sedevacantism is to elect a new Pope. Seeing how modernist imposters in Rome are incapable of electing a true Pope, the job falls on the remaining traditional bishops and clergy. I can sympathize with Bawden. Everyone complains about Rome yet no one gives the faithful a true Pope. Making a Pope is not a sacramental act. Its a legal action. In times of emergency, the law should not be used to tie mans hands for survival. The ultimate law is the salvation of souls so I would think the traditional bishops could take extraordinary steps to restablish order in the remnant of faithful left. What are they waiting for?

Introibo Ad Altare Dei

July 23, 2017 at 7:10 PM

I share your frustration Tom. When the Shepard is struck, the sheep are scattered. You have correctly put your finger on the problem, and the problem goes deep. The "Una Cum" issue is just one example of division that keeps an imperfect general council from happening. SSPV won't attend with Thuc Bishops. Certain Thuc Bishops won't attend with Lefebvre bishops--who still don't accept sedevacantism. Still other bishops DON'T want a council because they are sedeprivationists, and are waiting for Bergoglio or his successor to have their "Saul into St. Paul" experience and become formally (not just materially) the pope. It is a mess.

---Introibo

Hans Georg Lundahl

August 10, 2017 at 7:27 AM

OK, and thinking one can licitly consecrate bishops with no normal apostolic mandate is somehow better than convening a conclave, inviting cardinals, and considering them as heretics and no longer valid electors if they still accept Wojtyla after 1986?

Introibo Ad Altare Dei

August 10, 2017 at 8:00 AM

Hans,
Until we get a morally unanimous consensus that (a) we are in a state of sedevacantism and (b) we proceed according to the laws of the Church as properly set forth for such an extraordinary situation, it's the best we can do for now.

---Introibo

Hans Georg Lundahl

August 29, 2017 at 7:24 AM

Did Monsignor Lefèbvre wait for a morally unanimous consensus in 1988?

Introibo Ad Altare Dei

August 29, 2017 at 7:45 AM

Comparing apples and oranges. The requirements for a conclave is not the same as for a valid Sacrament.

---Introibo

Hans Georg Lundahl

August 31, 2017 at 2:27 AM

There is more than validity, there is also licitity of episcopal consecration.

If an episcopal consecration without normal apostolic mandate is normally IL-licit (if valid), the act of Monsignor Lefèbvre means that he considered there was a case of necessity, in which normal rules don't quite apply.

IF normal rules apply, Williamson, Galarreta, Tissier de Mallerais, Fellay were all validly consecrated, like Rifan, but the only one whom it is or was for long licit to approach about his episcopal powers was Rifan, since he quickly made up with Rome. It would in that case still be illicit to approach Bishop Williamson.

If on the other hand the matters are so bad that normal rules do NOT apply to the situation, or were so, why stop at episcopal consecration, and not add a conclave of emergency which removes the state of emergency?

Pope Michael - or if you prefer, Bishop Bawden (yes, he was consecrated in 2011, Gaudete Sunday, having been priest since c. 24 hours earlier) made a study of what epikeia as a virtue means, it is a virtue dealing with emergency situations in which normal rules don't apply, and the response he got is that for normal rules NOT to apply, one has to act in ways so as to remove emergency and restore full applicability of normal rules. Which means not stopping at episcopal consecrations out of normal licitness, but making a creative move about papal elections (usually referred to as "conclaves" due to the usual and normal mode in which e g Pope St Pius X was elected).

This is his argument against those who have been (in their view) prolonging the case of necessity which justified their positions.

Introibo Ad Altare Dei

August 31, 2017 at 6:24 PM

Normal rules means rules that are not of divine positive law that cannot be changed. For example, the mandate for episcopal consecration is of purely ecclesiastical origin and admits of circumstances that would render it null and void. On the other hand, the requirement that only a validly ordained priest can offer Mass is of Divine positive law, such that a layman cannot offer Mass validly no matter what the circumstances.

The election of a pope has changed over the years, but certain things have not. Women are barred from participating in a conclave or an imperfect general council. Bawden was "elected" by his mommy, his daddy, and two nice neighbors along with Mrs. Benns and himself. This is what is commonly known as a farce.

He is not even a bishop or priest. He derives his orders from one "Bp" Bob Biarnesen. Bp Bob received his orders through the Old Catholic line in the US which are held as doubtful. What ever happened to ol' Bp. Bob? We know nothing of his ecclesiastical training and education (if any). That compounds the doubt. Why did he leave Bawden? Why isn't he mentioned on his website and made a "cardinal" with an office outside the chicken coop?

David Bawden is a well-intentioned, yet delusional man.

---Introibo

Hans Georg Lundahl

September 1, 2017 at 2:31 AM

If women cannot even participate in a conclave, that makes the two votes of his mother and Theresa Benns invalid.

This leaves 3 votes against one (his own).

"He derives his orders from one "Bp" Bob Biarnesen. Bp Bob received his orders through the Old Catholic line in the US which are held as doubtful."

I had read sth on the wikipedia of some consecrating bishop actually deriving HIS line via two intermediates from Duarte Costa, which is not doubtful.

Sure Bob Biarnesen was chief consecrator and not just coconsecrator?

As to "delusional", this word smacks too much of modern psychiatry, in which ideologically charged questions can be used to denote insanity.

If you wanted to say "he is wrong", those words would have sufficed.

As to why the consecrating bishops are not mentioned, I have wondered that too, and just mentioned that for now I am supposing His Holiness has a good reason not to mention them (good as in valid, not as in excellent for egoistic purposes).

As for Theresa Benns, she also left him.

She - and one Indian man who debated with me while as Palmarian I was opposed to his election on the simple ground I considered the See filled in 1990 by "Gregorio XVII" - are on a site denouncing him as a fraud, and one of their grounds seems to be his ... character.

According to them, he is a bully.

Perhaps, but that changes nothing about the validity of his papacy.

For me, I have not been quite able to verify where certain blocks to my carreer as a writer and composer are coming from, even if His Holiness has not completely overturned them by publishing things by me either. Whoever IS responsible is very much a bully, but he could have been under pressure.

Introibo Ad Altare Dei

September 5, 2017 at 6:54 PM

Hans,
The very idea that there were only six Catholics left in the world is an absurd contention. Bawden voted for himself, and he has no clue on how to read the dense Latin pages on an imperfect general council. There can be no conclave of non-Cardinals. "Bp" Bob performed the ceremony alone and disappeared. Sound fishy? In the extreme.

---Introibo

Hans Georg Lundahl

September 6, 2017 at 1:47 AM

"The very idea that there were only six Catholics left in the world is an absurd contention."

I don't think that was the contention.

The only six who acted justly in the matter does not equal the only six who were Catholics, like such who hadn't heard of the invitations to the conclave.

"Bawden voted for himself,"

Says who?

I assumed he didn't, because in a conclave no one does, so if he did, I'd like to know a source for it.

"and he has no clue on how to read the dense Latin pages on an imperfect general council."

I have seen one fault in Latin by him in the past, but that does not mean he has no clue on how to read Latin - a page being dense has little to do with it.

"There can be no conclave of non-Cardinals."

If by "conclave" we mean ordinary and in usual legal form conducted papal election, agreed. If we mean papal election in general, I think he beats you in Church history.

""Bp" Bob performed the ceremony alone and disappeared. Sound fishy? In the extreme."

At least somewhat, yes. It could be a case of fraud, but it could also be a case of someone putting pressure on Bob after the fact or someone putting him up to putting His Holiness in an awkward position before it.

Also, I think I recall the ceremony was by two bishops.

One thought crossing my mind is that they had agreed beforehand to ordain him and consecrate him and then leave him, so he could not document it, properly.

I do not have proof culpability is on him.

It could also be they were blackmailed after the fact.

Introibo Ad Altare Dei

September 7, 2017 at 2:41 PM

That there were other methods of electing a pope but once gone, that method can no longer be used. Only an imperfect general council (or sedeprivationism) hold the key. No approved theologian teaches otherwise.

The source that Bawden voted for himself was Bawden's own site that claimed the vote was "unanimous." He may have changed it, but that's what I had read.

He has no formal Ecclesiastical training or education. He has a high school education and was expelled from SSPX.

---Introibo

Hans Georg Lundahl

September 8, 2017 at 1:41 AM

"That there were other methods of electing a pope but once gone, that method can no longer be used."

Not even in a state of emergency?

"Only an imperfect general council (or sedeprivationism) hold the key. No approved theologian teaches otherwise."

I tried sedeprivationism. Was John Paul II a material Pope? Could Benedict XVI have been a formal Pope? I hoped so. I have felt deceived since hoping so.

Imperfect general council ... I think that one was tried at Elx (Elche). I have rejected the result since I - like Pope Michael - am not a Feeneyite.

"The source that Bawden voted for himself was Bawden's own site that claimed the vote was "unanimous." He may have changed it, but that's what I had read."

OK, I took that as meaning five votes against one.

"He has no formal Ecclesiastical training or education."

I have noticed on certain issues.

But does that invalidate his conclusion? No.

If his conclusion on emergency conclave was valid, does it invalidate his election? No.

Formal training and formal education are overvalued items. No sacrament or faculty or jurisdiction depends on someone having it. If I were a bishop and ordained a man who had not got the philosophy course under others, and even one who had legitimately flunked philosophy and whom it would be sinful for me to ordain, he would still be validly ordained.

If I had given him faculties to hear confession, his faculties would not become invalid because I found out he had flunked or never even made the exams in moral theology or canon law.

And if I had died and the pope given him jurisdiction as administrator of my diocese up to election of bishop by a chapter vote, the jurisdiction he would be exercising would also not be invalid because he lacked formal training.

"He has a high school education ..."

Plus home schooling and continued studies at home.

"...and was expelled from SSPX."

You agree with him he has been a student at SSPX. He has given another version on how it ended.

Introibo Ad Altare Dei

September 9, 2017 at 9:38 AM

No, not even in a state of emergency can a conclave be called. It requires cardinals appointed by a pope. Right there it ends the "papacy" of Bawden. Some things can never be done even in a state of emergency. For example, if someone was in danger of death you could not validly baptize them using milk or beer as a substitute for water.

An imperfect general council has to meet the right standards, just as a conclave can't be called without real cardinals. You can't be elected "pope" by your mommy, your daddy and two nice neighbors on your Kansas farmhouse.

Read the theologians pre-V2 and you won't fall for phonies like Bawden or Dominguez ("Pope" Gregory) who taught heresy, molested the "nuns" and became a "Saint." His "stigmata" in a picture I saw looked like ketchup--and probably was!

---Introibo

Hans Georg Lundahl

September 11, 2017 at 1:17 AM

I am an ex-adherent of "Gregorio XVII".

Theologians (not Church fathers or scholastics, but contemporary) pre-V2 and especially pre-Pius XII even (like Dorsch) are no doubt good, but a bit hard to come by.

I ditched Dominguez over a doctrinal matter before hearing/reading he had molested monks as well.

"Antichrist sees the world from the fourth dimension, the Most Pure Virgin from the eighth dimension"

Hey, what about God creating space in THREE dimensions, to indicate He is THREE Persons?

So, I am an ex-Palmarian.

Ditching Dominguez came as per reading St Augustine, less hard to come by, most works, than Father Dorsch. Or as per having read Augustine.

Either way, validity of a sacrament is different from validity of jurisdiction.

And an antipope can become a true pope if one is needed and no one else is available.

One of my theories (abandoned) was that Pope Krav in Zagreb had been carrying the torch to 2012. But that was a comedy act, and the comedian gave it up when he saw sedevacantist popes exist for real. Now, if this had been right, the 1990 conclave would have been invalid for another reason, namely the see not being vacant.

That means, Pope Michael would have started out as an antipope, but could have become a true Pope after cessation of "Pope Krav" (had he been for real).

How come an antipope can become a true pope? See Pope St Felix II. He bagan to be Pope (after starting as an antipope) when clergy of Rome considered Liberius apostate, abdicated when Liberius cleared himself and reigned as true Pope a second time after Pope Liberius died.

On the other hand, this happened with "clergy of Rome" = equivalent of cardinals.

And "on the third hand" / "first hand again", time is a bit running out for sedevacantism proper. Perpetuos successores.

I got a view on an apologetics video by JPHolding, he defended replacing of Old Covenant by new by saying "olam" (I think it was, I'm no Hebraist) means perpetual rather than "eternal".

But the, if so, perpetual covenant of Sinai was interrupted for 70 years. 1958+70=2028.

That might be the limit for a break not changing perpetuity of papacy, as defined in Vatican council of 1869-70.

An imperfect general council could of course also confer papal jurisdiction on someone previously an antipope, I suppose?

Or recognise someone who was suspected of being so was a Pope, after all?

A decision of such an imperfect general council could trump the otherwise correct opinion of Father Dorsch, I suppose?