Tuesday, 30 April 2019

Well wishes to the Chabad of Poway


I wish they were Christians, if their rabbi would like a debate with me, I'd be honoured, but if he prefers not, I hope Henoch and Elijah will come to settle it between us.

Meanwhile, best wishes.

I am a Fascist, but this reminds me once more why I am definitely not a National Socialist, if you know the difference.

Hans Georg Lundahl
Paris
as soon as I read up
30.IV.2019

Saturday, 27 April 2019

On vient de me demander d'où je blogue


Un jeune assez sympa (d'une bonne famille de gauche) m'avait posé la question aussi ce matin.

Pour l'instant je suis dans une bibliothèque de Paris. À Nanterre U j'aurais eu droit à une heure, dès une péripétie un peu imprévue la semaine passée, ici j'ai deux heures.

Tant que j'étais inscrit comme lecteur externe et encore quelques mois jusqu'à y compris mardi 23 avril, j'ai pu rester quasi toute la journée en train de flâner dans le cyberespace et de m'arrêtant de temps en temps pour écrire une chose, souvent inspiré par quelque chose lue. Ou de planer un écrit et de faire les recherches qui y correspondent. Les deux.

La mendicité me permettait certes à vivre, la plupart des jours, mais prenait la moindre partie du temps réveillé.

Certains semblent vouloir inverser les proportions. Certains pourraient par exemple vouloir changer mon "statut" en fonction de ce que je fais la plupart du temps.

Bon, j'ai déjà utilisé partie des revenus de la manche pour écrire un article (la plupart déjà écrit par moi-même et Carlo Ginzburg, la dernière lettre écrite sur le coup, avant de les rassembler tous dans un article:

Correspondence of Hans Georg Lundahl : Correspondence with Ginzburg on Menocchio's Death
http://correspondentia-ioannis-georgii.blogspot.com/2019/04/correspondence-with-ginzburg-on.html


Comme vous pouvez voir, on a des approches très différentes. Il ne nie pourtant pas qu'il n'y a pas de document qui dise directement de la part du Saint-Office que Menocchio ait été executé. Il considère juste que les autres documents suffisent pour l'indiquer.

Le première lettre avait été écrite par moi, le même mardi 23 avril qu'on me dit que je ne pourrai plus dépenser la journée devant l'ordinateur - ce qui me coupe bien entendu l'occasion d'écrire, ce qui est mon métier. Qu'il m'apporte déjà d'argent ou non. Et il m'a apporté une bonne conversation et un café autour de la manche ce matin.

Je soupçonne donc, des gens pourraient être intéressés de vérifier où j'accède l'internet, pour avec leurs ficelles me priver de davantage de temps. Lequels? Par exemple, il y a des statistiques de la semaine des indication que le "club 21" soit encore actif en regardant mes blogs:

In Previous, I was lauding Antipope Bergoglio for one comment
5 avr. 2019
21 views this week

Some kind of censorship?
11 avr. 2019
21 views this week

Je vais regarder si je trouve un peu davantage de statistiques.

Hans Georg Lundahl
Bibl. M. Audoux
VIIe Jour de Pâques
27.IV.2019

17 avr. 2019 19:00 – 24 avr. 2019 18:00
Russie (sur 26 de mes blogs) 1204 – à savoir : 19 + 1 + 9 + 52 + 2 + 65 + 4 + 8 + 22 + 19+ 3 + 22 + 11 + 2 + 8 + 25 + 5 + 3 + 663 + 70 + 5 + 2 + 40 + 108 + 26 + 10
Ukraine (sur 23 blogs) 985 – à savoir : 60 + 5 + 16 + 22 + 29 + 4 + 58 + 2 + 12 + 39 + 3 + 2 + 9 + 632 + 7 + 24 + 5 + 6 + 4 + 22 + 2 + 2 + 20
Italie 974 : 134 + 216 + 185 + 224 + 215
États-Unis (sur 33 blogs) 885 – à savoir : 164 + 3 + 1 + 3 + 9 + 55 + 34 + 10 + 36 + 1+ 4 + 16 + 49 + 2 + 1+ 1 + 1 + 1 + 3 + 2+ 13 + 10 + 224 + 5 + 6+ 6 + 9 + 13 + 1 + 14 + 1 + 3 + 184
France (sur 22 de mes blogs) 699 – à savoir : 56 + 2 + 1 + 9 + 48 + 4 + 95 + 203 + 3 + 18 + 2 + 1 + 62 + 1 + 155 + 2 + 5 + 3 + 7 + 1 + 2 + 19
région indéterminée (sur 16 de mes blogs) 402 – à savoir : 53 + 2 + 5 + 46 + 1 + 4 + 9 + 2 + 47 + 1 + 2 + 16 + 1 + 25 + 9 + 179
Belgique 387 : 120 + 114 + 153
Canada 188 : 3 + 95 + 2 + 85 + 1 + 1 + 1
Émirats arabes unis 167 (un seul blog)
Allemagne (sur 15 de mes blogs) 121 – à savoir : 34 + 4 + 4 + 17 + 2 + 1 + 1 + 11 + 5 + 23 + 1+ 1 + 4 + 1 + 12
Roumanie 52 : 8 + 14 + 2 + 2 + 1 + 14 + 1 + 1 + 9
Royaume-Uni 30 : 1 + 1 + 3 + 4 + 2 + 6 + 2 + 4 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 4
Inde 24 : 9 + 1 + 14
Pologne 21 – à savoir : 14 + 7
Suède 17 : 1 + 1 + 15
Irlande 14 : 1 + 2 + 7 + 4
Portugal 13 : 10 + 2 + 1
Corée du Sud 11 : 1 + 1 + 1 + 6 + 2
Lituanie 9 : 2 + 6 + 1
Pays-Bas 7 : 2 + 2 + 1 + 1 + 1
Indonésie 5 : 1 + 4
Biélorussie 4 : 1 + 1 + 1 + 1
Brésil 4 : 1 + 1 + 1 + 1
Autriche 2 : 1 + 1
Chaque pays un seul blog : Vietnam 5, Australie 2, Philippines 2, Norvège 1, Espagne 1
6236 (sur ce qui apparaît) : 1204 + 985 + 974 + 885 + 699 + 402 + 387 + 188 + 167 + 121 + 52 + 30 + 24 +21 + 17+ 14 + 13 + 11 + 9 + 7 + 5+ 4+4+2+5+2+2+1+1
6236 / 7 = 891 par jour

16 avr. 2019 19:00 – 23 avr. 2019 18:00
42 + 4391 + 591 + 12 + 31 + 1151 + 5816 + 3474 + 228 + 136 + 1348 + 24 + 462 + 516 + 181 + 6107 + 11 + 5 + 57 + 66 + 215 + 24 + 87 + 27 + 21 + 121 + 174 + 172 + 347 + 9243 + 318 + 1099 + 712 + 3550 + 612 + 32 + 1076 + 66 + 28 + 93 + 5742 = 48 408

1613,6 per day / par jour

On parlait aussi d'une candidate noire, celle-ci me plaît beaucoup mieux qu'Obama : Kesha Rogers.

Pour comparer les statistiques de ce blog de la semaine concerné à la suivante:

17 avr. 2019 19:00 – 24 avr. 2019 18:00 25 avr. 2019 12:00 – 2 mai 2019 11:00
 
Russie 663 États-Unis 279
Ukraine 632 Ukraine 215
États-Unis 224 Russie 134
France 155 France 20
Allemagne 23 Allemagne 17
région indéterminée 16 Roumanie 14
Inde 14 Malaisie 13
Roumanie 14 Pologne 8
Royaume-Uni 6 Canada 7
Corée du Sud 6 région indéterminée 6

Tuesday, 23 April 2019

Index XXIV FR, Chandeleur à Pâques 2019


Cette page fait partie de l'Index Indicum

Bonum festum Purificationis BMV · Bonum Festum Cathedrae Sancti Petri Apostoli Antiochiae · Bonum festum Sancti Matthiae · Bonum Diem Cinerum · Bonum Festum Sancti Patricii · Bonum Festum Sancti Ioseph · Bonum Festum Annuntiationis · Bonum Triduum Paschale · felix Festum Paschale

Merci Ste Agathe!

Statistiques ... surtout dix blogs · Des lectorats un peu numériquement reguliers · Stats again / encore des statistiques (with links / avec des liens)

Désolé en avance si je n'écris pas beaucoup aujourd'hui (et si ce bref billet est un peu saugrenu)

Des tags antisémites sur des boîtes à lettres? · Pourquoi je n'ai pas pu signer · Certains pourraient, bien entendu, être mes lecteurs en France

Meurtriers de Popieluszko encore en liberté? (lien)

Que Dieu ait son âme!

Bucaille s'en prenait à la chronologie biblique

La religion d'Hitler (lien)

Un essai sur l'essai comme forme de litérature

Inutile pour le gouvernement ou ses représentants de faire de la provocation inutile envers la population musulmane

Je ne sais pas ...

Mensonges à Cergy

"Jésus est le chef des anges"

Index XXIV ENG, Candlemass to Easter 2019


This page is part of the Index Indicum

Bonum festum Purificationis BMV · Bonum Festum Cathedrae Sancti Petri Apostoli Antiochiae · Bonum festum Sancti Matthiae · Bonum Diem Cinerum · Bonum Festum Sancti Patricii · Bonum Festum Sancti Ioseph · Bonum Festum Annuntiationis · Bonum Triduum Paschale · felix Festum Paschale

The Reproaches

A threat to my "one light day up" view? · Apparent Size depends on Tangent, Right?

Please Note : Fr. Hunwicke believes Bergoglio actually is a Pope · Does God Want Non-Christian or Non-Catholic Religions? · Did Wojtyła ("John Paul II") Believe the Resurrection? · Remember O'Connor? Sinéad, anyone? · Is Pell Innocent and Betrayed by Lawyer? · Brilliant, Mark Hausam · Worst Pope? Don't Think So · Some kind of censorship?

What Does "Radical" or Extremist" Mean? · Italy and Ukraine most Restrictive of Free Press? Does it Affect me in France? · I hate to put it like this ... but these factors still allow Putin to be Antichrist

How Relevant is ASCII?

Antipope Bergoglio : One Good, One Bad · In Previous, I was lauding Antipope Bergoglio for one comment

Population Growth and Famine, Not Linked

Rivalling Jimmy Akin, as Scholastic

Toledo III or I?

What About Bishop Amvrosios ....

Tip to Wall Builders · It seems Donald Trump did the right thing I was talking of · Lisa Haven May Have Sth to Say Which Needs Hearing · Some Want a Lorica of St Patrick said for Donald Trump

As Ricky Gervais Gave a Proust Questionnaire

New blog on the kid : Speaking of C. S. Lewis · How Russians Might be Seeing C. S. Lewis ... · HGL's F.B. writings : Checking with Russian on CSL - wiki

Why Would Doctors Do That? · What's wrong with Illinois? · Could Not Sign

Club 21 · [Forgot to entitle it as about Club 21] · More Club 21 · I don't think these page views are coincidence, do you? · I Live in France · Stats again / encore des statistiques (with links / avec des liens)

I signed against Netflix · Yes, I signed

God Save His Soul, if Possible

The link here contains overt spoof

Zionist Occupied Holy Land, Some Good and Some Bad · Moving to Criminalise Me?

A Catholic Blog is Here

New blog on the kid : Are Some Conservatives Trying to Tell me "Socialism Doesn't Work"? · I came across Edwin Benson's lampooning of Panera Cares again · HGL'S F.B. WRITINGS : Is Anticapitalism a Condemned Socialist Heresy?

This is how CMI Blocks me · Someone Not Blocking Me! Thank You, Tedium!

Statistic Chances for Correct Statistics from Insecure Items ... · Zero Polarity on Five Item Statistics · One Lifespan Too Short in Five · One Lifespan Too Long in Five · Method for Good Choice · Two LifeSpans Too Short in Five Items · Two Lifespans Too Long in Five · The More Extreme Variations or Deviations · Summary for Five Lifespans · From Five to Fifteen? · From Five to Ten, the Long Way · From Five and Ten to Fifteen, the Long Way · From Fifteen to Thirty · Is the Median Likely to be Correct?

Proof from the Bible Moderate Alcohol Consumption

New blog on the kid : Should NZ Have Exiled the Christchurch Mosque and Attending Members? · Correspondence of Hans Georg Lundahl : News Correspondence after Christchurch

Should I Write Less? · As you may have noted

Creation vs. Evolution : Responding to Dystopian Science · Part II of Dystopian Science, my answer part A · Part II, part B - CMI on Deeper Waters · HGL's F.B. writings : Carter's Tactics · Back to Creation vs. Evolution : Part III : On Bradley and Bessel · New blog on the kid : Do Lorentz Transformations Prove a Universal Inconditional Speed Limit? · Back to Creation vs. Evolution : John Hartnett Pleads Operational Science

A "Diagnosis" Like "Narcissism" is Not Good For Freedom

From Proto-History, Via "Myth" to Allegory

Saturday, 20 April 2019

Wednesday, 17 April 2019

How Relevant is ASCII?


When I read about "le roi cornu" in Lloyd Alexander a few months ago, first time I read the French translation, I recalled that in English that would be the horned king, and recalled that Wiccans call Satan "the horned god".

I few days ago, I wondered about Theseus, as son of Poseidon. I looked at THESEVS but also at THESEA (accusative of THESEVS).

Well, Poseidon can also be called "the sea".

And the difference between "THESEA" and "the sea" is, each upper case is exchanged to a lower case, add six times 32 and a space is added, add another 32.

Now, look at this:

H 72 070 02  H 72 070 02
O 79 140 11  O 79 140 11
R 82 220 13  R 82 220 13
N 78 290 21  N 78 290 21
E 69 350 30  E 69 350 30
D 68 410 38  D 68 410 38
32 440 40  G 71 480 39
K 75 510 45  O 79 550 48
I 73 580 48  D 68 610 56
N 78 650 56
G 71 720 57  720
 +57
T 84 080 04  777
H 72 150 06
E 69 210 15  610
S 83 290 18  +56
E 69 350 27  666
A 65 410 32
 442
32*7 224
=224 666

Friday, 12 April 2019

I hate to put it like this ... but these factors still allow Putin to be Antichrist


To some people, the ideal Antichrist is a genius from Austria.

Why a genius?

Ezechiel 28:3-5.

Why from Austria?

Daniel 11:23.

What do these things actually say?

Ezechiel:

Behold thou art wiser than Daniel: no secret is hid from thee. In thy wisdom and thy understanding thou hast made thyself strong: and hast gotten gold and silver into thy treasures. By the greatness of thy wisdom, and by thy traffic thou hast increased thy strength: and thy heart is lifted up with thy strength.

If Daniel was a genius, some say, Antichrist needs to be an even greater genius, because of "wiser than Daniel".

Challoner comments on these words like this:

[3] "Thou art wiser than Daniel": Viz., in thy own conceit. The wisdom of Daniel was so much celebrated in his days, that it became a proverb amongst the Chaldeans, when any one would express an extraordinary wisdom, to say he was as wise as Daniel.


So, Antichrist does not need to be objectively wiser than Daniel, he only needs to think so.

The fact noted by Chesterton that rich men tend to think they are geniuses for becoming rich is nearly alluded to in the next verses. Note, Putin is a very rich man.

And Daniel:

And after friendships, he will deal deceitfully with him: and he shall go up, and shall overcome with a small people.

With a small people? Fits Austria or Slovenia like hand in glove .... or Donbass or Chechnya.

Crimean Russians are a small people, even if Russians in general are not. Chechens are also a small people, once fiercely opposed to Putin, now they have an agreement.

Hans Georg Lundahl
Nanterre UL
St Zenon of Verona
12.IV.2019

From Proto-History, Via "Myth" to Allegory


Genesis 3 is proto-history, it is not allegory. At least it is not an allegoric telling of the facts, however much it may be an allegory about future things. Eve's sin is told as Eve's sin, as it happened, not told as something else or in terms of another scenario.

Nathan's story of King David's adultery is precisely an allegory. It was an allegory about what happened then. Nathan told it as an allegory, because King David had a bias about the real life version of the story.

Mark Shea* misses this:

Both woman and man reject God in the mythic telling of the fall in Genesis 3. ‘Myth’ here does not mean ‘non-historical’. It means that a real event in human history—our species’ rejection of God—is told in non-newspaper language just as the story of David’s real sin with Bathsheba is told in Nathan’s story of the rich man who stole the poor man’s ewe lamb.


On top of this blindness, he has probably misunderstood the questioner.

The questioner considered someone as wrong for claiming neither Eve's disobedience nor Mary's obedience mattered very much.

While Mark Shea actually gives him the arguments he wanted, he misunderstands in a not very flattering way who it was who considered Eve's sin as of little importance.

In pondering Mary as the new Eve, it seemed like denying this claim (which several of my family members do as they have left the church) would somehow imply that it didn’t matter if Eve sinned.


He then proceeds to give anyway some of the arguments he could not answer, not meaning they are his arguments.

Blindness to the Bible and to how the Church Father's read it (Eve's Sin is a kind of negative allegory precisely for Mary's obedience, but Eve's sin is given in historic direct terms, not in allegoric disguise) engenders this blindness:

I’m not clear why seeing Mary as the new Eve, untying through her obedience the knot Eve tied in her disobedience, makes Eve’s sin not matter.


It is precisely the family members who left the Church and who deny the obedience of Mary matters who are also denying Eve's sin matters. Not the questioner.

Hans Georg Lundahl
Paris I
St. Zenon of Verona
12.IV.2019

Veronae passio sancti Zenonis Episcopi, qui inter persecutionis procellas eam Ecclesiam mira constantia gubernavit, et, Gallieni tempore, martyrio coronatus est.

A little PS : I forgot to mention that "myth" is the Greek word for story. And that the "myth" of Aischylos' Persai is history. The word as such seems so rich in meaning, but it is in fact an equivocation./HGL

* A reader has a question about Mary and Eve
APRIL 11, 2019 BY MARK SHEA | Catholic and Enjoying It
https://www.patheos.com/blogs/markshea/2019/04/a-reader-has-a-question-about-mary-and-eve.html


It seems I was so tired I just cut and pasted but did not copy back two new line markers in the html this night, just above my signature.

It seems Mark Shea was so cowardly he effaced my comment, which was given with a link here, to this reply, since now there is only one comment and not by me, and it was not yet there when I was adding mine.

Being tired and messing up the html is a bit bad, but being cowardly is worse.

A "Diagnosis" Like "Narcissism" is Not Good For Freedom


One can debate whether Assange's leaks are criminal or not. It probably will be debated in court. But when on top of being dragged before a judge he is called narcissist, this is not even debatable, since everyone is someone else's narcissist.

It's a charge judges should stay clear from. It's the kind of things by which shrinks poison wells and shorten innocent people's freedoms.

Here are some journalists mourning for Assange being punished for journalism, starting with Lisa Haven:

RIP Press—Julian Assange Shouts Cryptic Message To Trump Upon His Arrest
Lisa Haven | 11.IV.2019
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXvc1T1aVMY


She cites Snowden, she cites Glenn Greenwald.

But, more than that, she cites an article in which a judge is said to have told Assange to get on with his life:

A British judge on Thursday branded him a 'narcissist' and his defense - that he skipped bail because he would not face a fair trial, 'laughable' and told him 'get over to the US' and 'get on with your life';


mailOnline : Julian Assange faces up to 12 months in UK jail as judge finds him guilty of skipping bail and brands him a 'narcissist' hours after Wikileaks founder was dragged out of Ecuadorian embassy - as U.S. charges him with hacking 750,000 classified documents*
Thursday, Apr 11th 2019
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6911977/U-S-indicts-Julian-Assange-charges-hacking-hundreds-thousands-classified-documents.html


More, some guys pretend this arrest shows Assange is no hero.

British Foreign Secretary Jeremy Hunt said following the arrest: 'What we have shown today is that nobody is above the law - Julian Assange is no hero.

'He's hidden from the truth for years and years and it's right that his future should be decided in the British judicial system.'

He added: 'What has happened today is the result of years of careful diplomacy by the Foreign Office.'

Mr Hunt added: '[It's] a very courageous decision by President Moreno in Ecuador to resolve this situation that's been going on for nearly seven years.

'It's not so much that Julian Assange was being held hostage in the Ecuadorian Embassy, it was actually Julian Assange holding the Ecuadorian Embassy hostage. It was a situation that was absolutely intolerable to them.'


I have so far not heard that from Ecuadorian sources.** It is possible, they were being put under too much pressure - and not by Julian.

But the arrest is not showing him "no hero" and judges, while supposed to care about the truth are not automatically giving it. One cannot pretend fleeing from judges is the same as hiding from the truth, precisely as a non-debatable and non-objective charge like narcissist is no good news for people facing judges.

Or for public freedoms in general.

Hans Georg Lundahl
Paris I
St. Zenon of Verona
12.IV.2019

Veronae passio sancti Zenonis Episcopi, qui inter persecutionis procellas eam Ecclesiam mira constantia gubernavit, et, Gallieni tempore, martyrio coronatus est.

* I modified the link by adding explicative text or title after signing./HGL

** Indeed, this news seems to tell the opposite:

mail : Newly published files confirm plan to move Assange to Russia
https://www.mail.com/int/news/uk/8798842-newly-published-files-confirm-plan-to-move-assange.html


However, here is an update:

mail : Exasperated Ecuador ends asylum for world's worst houseguest
https://www.mail.com/int/news/world/9111790-exasperated-ecuador-ends-asylum-worlds-worst-house.html


It is noted that both Lenín Boltaire Moreno Garcés who ended the asylum and his predecessor Rafael Vicente Correa Delgado who extended it are or recently were of the party Alianza PAIS (Patria Altiva i Soberana). Both are from middle class families, but it seems Rafael Correa is from a somewhat more Catholic background, went to "Universidad Católica de Santiago de Guayaquil, the University of Louvain (UCLouvain), and the University of Illinois, where he received his PhD," while Lenín Moreno studied psychology at universities without such Catholic sounding names (except the last one). Also his parents admired Lenin and Voltaire, as apparent from his given names.

Thursday, 11 April 2019

"Jésus est le chef des anges"


Roi.

L'hymne de Noël Adeste Fideles contient les mots:

Natum vidéte, Regem Angelorum

Or, le mot regem, c'est pas "chef" en français, mais bien "roi".

Jésus est donc roi des anges. Pas juste leur chef./HGL

Mensonges à Cergy


À Cergy Préfecture, il y a une exposition de caricatures. L'exposition s'appelle "mensonges".

Dedans, il y a un panneau avec trois caricatures connectées, qui vaut, à lui seul, le titre de l'exposition.

Ont signé Cambon, LeBuisson (à moins que je me souviens mal pour LeBouillon), et, probablement, Gros. Je dis probablement, car la première lettre ressemble plutôt à un C, mais ceci est aussi le cas pour le G majuscule imprimé que pour un G majuscule écrit à main. Et c'était plus court que la signature de Cambon qui était le seul C.

Cambon
"la terre avant Galilée"
- stative d'un globe, mais pendu dedans un disque assez plat.

LeBuisson
[à moins que c'était LeBouillon]
"Galilée allait à une école privée"
- et le prof de répéter au jeune Galilée "la terre est plate, plate, plate"

Gros
"enfin la vérité"
- des Gilets Jaunes et le text "la terre est plate comme un rondpoint".


À Cergy, il y a des gens pourqui "avant Galilée on considérait la terre plate" serait, pas une blague hyperbolique, mais pris comme un fait et constutuant donc un factoïde.

Non, Galilée et ses juges (à deux reprises) considéraient des deux côtés que la terre est en effet ronde. Comme un ballon.

Et on se débattait à propos la question quelle était sa position, fixe et au centre ou mouvante et en orbite autour d'un centre.

Au moins, à la première reprise, Galilée avait le droit à un bon débat.

À Cergy, ce genre de mensonge (car devant des gens qui sont si ignorants qu'ils prendraient la prémisse pour une vérité, c'est une mensonge plutôt qu'une blague) est plutôt apte à empêcher un bon débat.

En plus, la présentation d'un LeBuisson (à moins que c'était LeBouillon) est une attaque aux écoles privées, surtout hors contrat.

On attaque la liberté d'éducation, car, voyons, Cergy est un peu à gauche, Jean-Paul Jeandon a été au PS déjà aux temps de Mitterand. Et il en est le maire.

Entretemps, si LeBuisson vient d'apprendre lui-même que les gens avant Galilée prenaient la terre pour plate, et notez, je n'affirme pas que ce soit le cas, je crois malheureusement que c'était dans une école publique et laïque, et qu'elle ne valait même pas la moitié d'une école buissonnière.

Et si j'ai mal noté son nom, si c'était plutôt LeBouillon, alors, non, je n'ai pas bu trop hier, ni aujourd'hui, mais la nuit à hier, j'ai eu le sommeil interrompu vers 1:50 du matin par une des chances pour la France qui était devenu gardien de sécurité.

Hans Georg Lundahl
BU de Nanterre
Pape St Léon I
11.IV.2019

Sancti Leonis Papae Primi, cognomento Magni, Confessoris et Ecclesiae Doctoris, cujus dies natalis recolitur quarto Idus Novembris.

PS, la caricature sur les Gilets Jaunes n'était pas très flatteur pour leur démarche, donc un peu une attaque oblique aux droits de manifestation et choses annexes à leurs révendications./HGL

Some kind of censorship?


Here is an example of what should not happen:



Not a trace of the fact I replied to that comment. I did. A public sinner not in mortal sin is either an oxymoron (if not fulfilling external criteria for mortal sin, he cannot be a real public sinner) or an act of divination (if not fulfilling the internal criterium of wilful assent, that cannot be known as long as he continues to fulfil the external criteria).

When it did not seem to go through first time, I reposted and it turned out "you seem to have already said that".

Can someone at Nanterre University Library have prevented the comment from going through?

Here is an example of what should happen, when no one here did such a thing:



So is this:



When Heresy pretends to be Tradition by Pedro Gabriel · Published April 3, 2019 · Updated April 3, 2019 https://wherepeteris.com/when-heresy-pretends-to-be-tradition/?unapproved=3934&moderation-hash=497b09f81f4c3631a8165eb289b0c7ac#comment-3934

Btw, here is a little dialogue between me and (among others) Pedro Gabriel:

I

Hans Georg Lundahl
April 3, 2019 at 4:14 pm
“He always sends errors into the world in pairs—pairs of opposites. And he always encourages us to spend a lot of time thinking which is the worse. You see why, of course? He relies on your extra dislike of the one error to draw you gradually into the opposite one. ”

This was noted by Chesterton as well.

A Classic would actually be Sabellius and after him Paul of Samosata with Arius.

“So, while it is true we should hold on to tradition in order to avoid falling prey of novelties which have nothing to do with Christian doctrine, it is also sadly true that clinging too much to tradition can result in a kind of idolatry. ”

It so happens, to Chesterton it was precisely tradition – certainly interpreted through the magisterium, but through a magisterium serving tradition, which helped us escape falling into either of twin opposite errors.

Pedro Gabriel
April 3, 2019 at 4:30 pm
Precisely. Tradition and Magisterium are two interconnected and inseparable entities. But I’m not the one claiming that they exist apart from each other so that you can pit one against the other. And neither is Chesterton.

Hans Georg Lundahl
[Your comment is awaiting moderation. This is a preview, your comment will be visible after it has been approved.]
April 4, 2019 at 8:17 am
Neither am I, I am no longer SSPX.

You are asking Catholics to reject SSPX (which is probably correct, as long as they retain a position no longer connected to a realistic hope one of modern “Popes” will say “my bad”) and instead chose obedience to “Pope Francis” or obedience to either of Pope Michael or the more realistics antipope Alexander IX.

II

Ashpenaz
April 3, 2019 at 3:52 pm
Doctrine doesn’t change, but as new information comes in, we see the deposit of faith more clearly. The Church used to teach that the earth was the center of the universe; as new information came in, She taught that the sun was the center. The doctrine didn’t change; the Church simply had information she didn’t have before.

I think the same will happen with contraception and same-sex relationships. I don’t think the current teachings are wrong, per se; they are poorly informed. We have a better scientific understanding of sexuality than did Paul, Augustine, Aquinas, and even Paul VI. The best peer-reviewed science tells us that homosexual orientation is inborn and irreversible. Social science has documented the quality of gay relationships and families led by same-sex parents. The laity, based on polls, is clearly hearing the Holy Spirit on this issue much faster than the hierarchy. Based on that, I believe that once the bishops take full consideration of all the relevant scientific data, they will find that the deposit of faith has always contained the teaching that homosexual acts are licit within a lifelong, monogamous same-sex relationship. It won’t be a new teaching–it will a development of our understanding which will be seen to be in continuity with tradition–similar to what we have seen with usury, slavery, and the death penalty.

Pedro Gabriel
April 3, 2019 at 4:24 pm
Science can’t pronounce itself on whether a certain behavior is sinful or not. Sinfulness is not a scientifically measurable attribute, but rather a moral and a spiritual one.

Hans Georg Lundahl
April 3, 2019 at 4:28 pm
“The best peer-reviewed science tells us that homosexual orientation is inborn and irreversible.”

Not even true.

The only orientation which is known to be stable is heterosexual.

Homos become bis and bis become exclusive heteros, for instance by marriage. And passing through bi is not necessary.

Pete Vickery
April 3, 2019 at 11:38 pm
Science used to teach that the earth was the center of the universe. The Ptolemaic model existed for over 1000 years and was the scientific consensus. It took an unknown Catholic cleric (Nicolaus Copernicus) to quietly state in his work De Revolutionibus Orbium Coelestium that the sun, not the earth, was the center of the universe. This was decades before Galileo. We now know that neither the sun nor the earth are the center of the universe although Copernicus was closer to the truth since the sun is the center of our solar system. Copernicus sent a copy of his work to Pope Paul III. The Church was interested but also attentive to the scientific consensus that had not yet changed. Regardless of all this, the idea that science had proffered and the Church concurred with (Ptolemy’s Theory) had nothing to do with faith or morals. Pope Francis may be dead wrong about global warming yet this will have zero impact on doctrinal or dogmatic teachings of the church. Whatever science finds out about homosexuality may or may not be accepted by the Church. But whether the Church believes the scientific consensus or not does not imply that the Church accepts the licitness of the homosexual act.

Hans Georg Lundahl
"Science used to teach that the earth was the center of the universe."

Why would that be wrong?

"Whatever science finds out about homosexuality may or may not be accepted by the Church. But whether the Church believes the scientific consensus or not does not imply that the Church accepts the licitness of the homosexual act."

How many "in the Church" are already saying it is illicit for a homosexual to try to get married - to someone of the opposite sex?

I Tim 4:3

III

carn
April 3, 2019 at 10:17 pm
You asked a question, so you deserve an answer:

“Where does it say, in any authoritative document (emphasis on the word “authoritative”), that the faithful should prooftext Church documents against past magisterial teachings, and that if they find an alleged contradiction with the Magisterium of the current Pope, they can dismiss it and disobey him?”

https://www.catholic.org/bible/book.php?id=55

” I am astonished that you are so promptly turning away from the one who called you in the grace of Christ and are going over to a different gospel-

7 not that it is another gospel; except that there are trouble-makers among you who are seeking to pervert the gospel of Christ.

8 But even if we ourselves or an angel from heaven preaches to you a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let God’s curse be on him.

9 I repeat again what we declared before: anyone who preaches to you a gospel other than the one you were first given is to be under God’s curse.”


That Church document has been repeatedly confirmed to be authoritative since about 1600 years.

Accordingly, it is Catholic teaching that if catholics, priests, bishops, cardinals, popes, saints, apostels and/or angels or any other creature (besides maybe Christ himself) come along and preach a gospel different from the gospel taught before, the faithful should stick with the gospel taught before.

The only mean available for the faithful to determine whether some gospel taught now is different from the one before is their own mind, heart and prayer.

As furthermore the Church authoritatively teaches at least as long that “Let your ‘Yes’ mean ‘Yes,’ and your ‘No’ mean ‘No.'” one can presume that any new gospel wherein something formerly being “yes” is now a “no” – or in other words contradicts the old gospel – is candidate for rejection by the faithful.

Accordingly, the Church has authoritatively taught and still teaches that if any catholic, priest, bishop, cardinal, pope, saint, apostle or angel teaches something contradicting prior teaching, faithful are to reject it. Accordingly, the faithful have the duty to “prooftext Church documents against past magisterial teachings” if there is indication that such a thing might be going on, to determine whether there is some new gospel is preached in contradiction to the old one.

The only thing absolutely exempt from such prooftexting are ex cathedra items.

And that of course does not change that there is with such prooftexting the risk of falling oneself to a false gospel, e.g. when one gets the gospel preached so far wrong.

Declarations of the catholics, priests, bishops, cardinals, popes, saints, apostles and/or angels that although they preach a new gospel different from the old one that there is no contradiction between their new gospel and the old one are obviously null and void, as the respective catholic, priest, bishop, cardinal, pope, saint, apostle and/or angel is to be under God’s curse, which obviously implies that his/her declarations have no longer authority.

Pedro Gabriel
April 4, 2019 at 4:49 am
There is nothing in that quote saying that you should prooftext the Magisterium so that if you think you find an alleged contradiction with previous magisterial documents you can dismiss the teachings.

That is your personal spin on that biblical quote. Surpisingly, it is also incredibly similar to the spin from Protestants, who use that same quote repeatedly to resist the teachings of the Pope.

The difference is that they are consistent in applying it. They don’t say that ex cathedra documents are exempt from this like you do. Why should they? Why shouldn’t we prooftext past teaching (namely Scripture) to find alleged contradictions with ex cathedra pronouncements and reject them if we find them contradictory? Why not prooftext the Immaculate Conception dogma with the “everyone has sinned and fallen from grace from God” biblical quote?

In fact, what the Church has traditionally taught is that this St. Paul quote *can’t* be used to justify a faith based on personal interpretation apart from the Church. To claim otherwise is indeed a “new gospel” that should, per St. Paul’s quote, be rejected.

In the meantime I note with interest that you have gone from “I don’t really know what the Pope teaches since it is unclear, so I’m not dissenting” to “We can dissent if we prooftext past magisterial teachings and think we found a contradiction”. But the latter, besides having no magisterial backing (as you have not been able to provide apart from a Protestantized reading of a biblical quote taken out of context) is much more wrong and harmful to the faith than giving communion to divorced and remarried not in mortal sin, or than saying that the death penalty is not admissible today.

Hans Georg Lundahl
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April 4, 2019 at 11:36 am
Session IV of Trent has “contra eum sensum, quem tenuit et tenet sancta mater Ecclesia, cuius est iudicare de vero sensu et interpretatione Scripturarum Sanctarum,” therefore the magisterium is bound to its past.

In the case you both admit a contradiction with the tenuit part and an actual magisterial tenet of that contradiction, one of your admissions needs to be wrong.

I can respect the stance “I remain wrong, because I don’t know which of two possible rights is the right one”, like a High Church Anglican not sure whether to become Catholic or Orthodox.

Just because your opponent needs to be wrong on one of two points, it need not be the one where he contradicts you, it can be the one where he agrees with you – as I think is the case with SSPX and yourself.

Wednesday, 10 April 2019

Do Lorentz Transformations Prove a Universal Inconditional Speed Limit?


Creation vs. Evolution : Responding to Dystopian Science · Part II of Dystopian Science, my answer part A · Part II, part B - CMI on Deeper Waters · HGL's F.B. writings : Carter's Tactics · Back to Creation vs. Evolution : Part III : On Bradley and Bessel · New blog on the kid : Do Lorentz Transformations Prove a Universal Inconditional Speed Limit? · Back to Creation vs. Evolution : John Hartnett Pleads Operational Science · Correspondence of Hans Georg Lundahl : With Steven Taylor on Lorentz Transformations, Speed of Light, Distant Starlight Problem, Creation Week, Miracles

Four or five observations. They are in response to a video mentioned under point four. The reason why I adress this at all is, if the universe is Geocentric and the stars one light day up they are each stellar day doing a circle of 6.28 light days circumference which by definition is 6.28 times the speed of light. So, now I am adressing a video trying to make the speed of light a very absolute absolute.

  • 1) Do the Lorentz transformations reflect an idea based on Galilaean relativity, so that no reference frame is privileged? If so, they may be wrong as based on wrong premiss.

  • 2) "If c=infinity everything is contemporary, an infinity of here and now without succession ..."

    • a) Is this based on the idea that all or most causes of physical events are previous physical events - if God and angels stand for a lot of continuous input in a finite and Geocentric univese, would this not rather be a non-actualised or not necessarily actualised mere potentiality arising from c=infinity?

    • b) If true as stated, that the c=infinity state reflects how God experiences the reality He created, so it would per se be correct about ultimate reality:
      • i) one could imagine c=finite were a kind of projection so we could experience reality successively;
      • ij) or even (though this is a bit Kantian) that c=infinity is objective reality all the way down and c=finite is only "our finite view of things".


  • 3) The speed limit was stated as applying to particles without mass (particles with mass being slowed down by it).

    • a) Do we know that particles without mass exist? Or could states of fact and experience related to them be misinterpretations of a non-particle mass-less aether?

    • b) If they exist and have this speed limit - do we know a non-particle aether in which they move would also be subject to this type of speed limit?

    • c) Supposing it would, could one not imagine that the further out from earth the aether is, as it is closer to God's Heaven, c grows in approach if infinity so aether can move and also transport objects at speeds higher than our telluric or "inner solar system" values for c, if not at higher vectorial speeds, at least higher local ones?


  • 4) On a personal note, I came across this video

    The Speed of Light is NOT About Light
    PBS Space Time | 7.X.2015
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=msVuCEs8Ydo


    which deals with the Lorentz transformation and which I have now tried to answer.

    Someone who thinks I am wrong about Geocentrism probably prayed for this. However, the person did not state his objections to me. I'll try to not make this about how that is hurtful to my feelings, though it is.

    Perhaps he didn't know the details. But if so, he is acting so that as few as possible get to know my theories while he's "working on" a project of prayer to make me change my mind.

    I find this perfidious. If he knows the details, he should argue them with me. If he doesn't, he should honestly state a weak but not totally unimpressive "I think there is an objection you haven't thought of yet, I just don't know what it is myself."

    Either way, he should not be keeping me in a social vacuum - nor do so with others, he would for similar motives disagree with. I have proven Geocentrism true if not refuted (since it is directly empirical, and the direct appearance of things, while in a sense non-discriminating information is not completely so, but a default option unless refuted), I have proven it as not refuted by the phenomena of Bradley and Bessel, unless one is limited to causalities of gravitation and inertia, that is related to mass, and I have proven that angelic movers is an option for Christians, since traditionally one of the explanations held for movements of celestial objects. This should not be withheld from the general public year after year, while they try to find a refutation of Geocentrism that I haven't yet refuted.


I think four points will do for now, perhaps save a fifth for later. Oh, sorry, no. I recalled what it was.

  • 5) My solution alternative 2bij actually suggests causation within created reality is not real, that God is causing all that is caused directly, but that observed causations are God's habits in associating things. This position clearly differs from the position of St Thomas Aquinas, it is the philosophy called Occasionalism, and two 17th C. Catholic Divines proposed it, only one of them got condemned for the proposal. It was the one who applied this to our free will, so that our decisions are also directly caused by God and in fact not free.

    Barring that, barring Calvinism, this Occasionalism, while probably not true (since there are probably better alternatives than 2bij) is at least not condemned as a heresy.


And now, I'll try to take a discussion with the author of the video on whether the idea is based on premisses that I would anyway deny.

Hans Georg Lundahl
Nanterre UL
St Ezechiel
10.IV.2019

Apud Babylonem sancti Ezechielis Prophetae, qui, a Judice populi Israel, quod eum de cultu idolorum argueret, interfectus, in sepulcro Sem et Arphaxad, Abrahae progenitorum, sepultus est; ad quod sepulcrum, orationis causa, multi confluere consueverunt.

Friday, 5 April 2019

In Previous, I was lauding Antipope Bergoglio for one comment


Antipope Bergoglio : One Good, One Bad · In Previous, I was lauding Antipope Bergoglio for one comment

Give to the poor, don't worry about how they spend it. That was the resumé, and as far as it goes, it was good. But I read the context.

Now, here is a little comparison between C. S. Lewis and "Pope Francis" as revealed in the discourse.

The interview was published on the eve of Ash Wednesday, which for Catholics and other Christians is the start of Lent, a season of penance and almsgiving. Francis said giving to the needy must be a priority—and challenged those who make excuses against giving money to people on the streets.

People who worry about how the money might be spent should ask themselves what guilty pleasures they are secretly spending money on, Pope Francis said.

"There are many excuses" to justify why one does not lend a hand when asked by a person begging on the street, he said. Some may think, “‘I give money and he just spends it on a glass of wine!’” Francis said.

But, he joked, a “glass of wine is his only happiness in life!”

Giving something to someone in need "is always right," the pope said, adding that it should be done with respect and compassion because "tossing money and not looking in [their] eyes is not a Christian" way of behaving, he said.


Source, see my previous analysis. Or, I'll copy the link for you here:

America : Pope Francis says give to the homeless, don't worry about how they spend it, as Lent begins
Michael J. O’Loughlin February 28, 2017
https://www.americamagazine.org/politics-society/2017/02/28/pope-francis-says-give-homeless-dont-worry-about-how-they-spend-it-lent


J. R. R. Tolkien was once worried that C. S. Lewis had given a beggar a quid.

He told C. S. Lewis, "but he's only going to spend it on beer".

C. S. Lewis replied "so was I".

Where is the difference?

Well, I was when young convert talking to Catholics in generalities about fellow Swedes who (in certain touristic contexts) drink too much.

I got the reply "let them, their only joy is drink".

Yes, that is a good reply about someone known to drink too much. As in the context not a specified person, but a category defined by that fact and not any confusing other. I was obviously not denying other Swedes are moderate when drinking alcoholic beverages, including abroad.

It is not a good reply about a beggar, defined as precisely a beggar, because it paints that beggar (or beggars in general) as very likely to drink too much.

Tolkien (who unfortunately was raised partly among Methodist relatives) was insinuating not only that beer would be a likely consummation on part of the beggar, but that that consummation of beer was likely to be excessive. Lewis was not disputing a certain likelihood that beer could be on the to buy list, but reminded his friend that they too were fond of drinking beer. And not accusing each other of doing so excessively.

In other words, C. S. Lewis was reminding his friend of common humanity.

By contrast, Bergoglio was reminding his audience of what he would presumably call a real risk of excessive drink.

That is deviously basically asking people not to give beggars "too much".

As I am a beggar myself, sometimes do drink beer and wine, I do not quite relish the occasion of being compared to a drunk.

Hans Georg Lundahl
Nanterre UL
St. Vincent Ferrer
5.IV.2019

I may add, I am unpleasantly reminded that the antipope was once Bar Bouncer Bergoglio. One can read that as 888 with upper case B, or as 666 with lower case b./HGL

I may also add a hat tip to Mark Shea for linking to the article I linked to and quoted./HGL

Mark Shea gives a more accurate quote of the dialogue between the two Inklings than I did:



The following discussion is partly fairly correct.

Two problems:

The life verse for the disciplinarian Christian is from Paul’s second letter to the Republicans ‘If any one will not work, let him not eat.’ (2 Th 3:10).

But, in fact, Paul is talking to fellow Christians at Thessalonica, not to the world in general. He is addressing discipline in his Church, not talking about our duties to beggars in the street.


In a Catholic country, the beggar in the street would in fact be usually a Catholic, so, what is said on Church Discipline might in fact involve the beggar in the street. However, the real rationale is, if you don't know the beggar in the street you are not supposed to pass judgement on his willingness to work. As to myself, some semi-know me, they know I am not looking for work, but ignore I am working every day (nearly) as a writer and being not directly paid for that - or take it as an arrangement I chose to continue for the rest of my life rather than what I can at present get, while wanting more.

The other problem is here:

Indeed, the only qualification Christ puts on our giving is this: he commands us to make sure that the people to whom we give shall never ever ever be able to repay us. Worst. Republican. Financial. Advisor. EVER!


Just as Mark Shea misses a fine shade between a) "I was just going to spend it on drink" and b) "But, he joked, a 'glass of wine is his only happiness in life!'" - so also he misses a fine shade between making sure to give to those who can't repay (Our Lord's words, meaning reasonably, those who foreseeably can't repay) and - the way Mark put it - making sure those you give to won't be able to repay. The latter sounds like the kind of thing one would accuse a Talmudist of, if he were trying to apply Our Lord's words, but in the case of Mark Shea, the kippah seems somewhat absent. The latter sounds perhaps even more like making sure some who refuse to take a certain mark (!) can neither buy or sell./HGL

Wednesday, 3 April 2019

Antipope Bergoglio : One Good, One Bad


Antipope Bergoglio : One Good, One Bad · In Previous, I was lauding Antipope Bergoglio for one comment

By the good one he gives some people a strong impression he's Catholic.

By the bad one, he uses that impression (whether from this or previous occasions) to seduce into error.

Good one first:

LifeSiteNews : Pope Francis rejects abortion in cases of rape: It’s never okay to hire ‘assassin’ to solve ‘problem’
Martin M. Barillas | News | Abortion, Catholic Church | Tue Apr 2, 2019 - 12:37 pm EST
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/pope-francis-asks-when-is-it-licit-to-hire-a-murderer-to-solve-an-abortion


Near the end of a wide-ranging interview that touched on immigration, homosexuality, and the Catholic Church’s response to the sexual abuse crisis, Évole posed an extreme theoretical case of a girl victim of trafficking who is impregnated as a result of rape. When the journalist asked if the Pope could understand the girl’s choice to end her child’s life, the Pope said, “I would understand her desperation, but I also know that it is not licit to eliminate a human life in order to solve a problem.”

When Évole countered, “And in one of those extreme cases?” the Pope asked, “Is it licit to eliminate a human life to solve a problem? Is it licit to hire someone to eliminate [the baby]? The answer is yours, not mine.” Évole refused to answer, saying, “No, I have not come to answer. I am going to try to get as many answers from you that I can.”


Excellent observation.

There have been Jesuits who have said that using the methods of an assassin is OK, if it is against someone whom legitimate state authority condemns in contumaciam, for a serious crime, but in that case the person would not be actually an assassin.

However, the abortionist is in a very different position from that : his methods differ from that of the Classic hitman, because his victim is not able to defend himself, but the moral is still that the victim is innocent, and therefore the act is murder, like any other assassination or death camp.

I would, if I were giving an interview to Jordi Évole obviously add that I am for civil law punishing both aborting mothers and abortion providers. In a case when parents and boyfriends have pushed a very young girl (say 13) to abort, I would hold such a mother guiltless and consider such parents and such boyfriends (or his parents) need to get punished.

Here is the bad one:

LifeSiteNews : Pope Francis warns Moroccan Christians against ‘proselytism’
Dorothy Cummings McLean | News | Catholic Church, Faith | Tue Apr 2, 2019 - 11:53 am EST
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/pope-francis-warns-moroccan-christians-against-proselytism


“What are Christians like, in these lands? To what can we compare them?” he asked. “They are like a little yeast that Mother Church wants to mix in with a great quantity of flour until all of it is leavened,” he continued.

“For Jesus did not choose us and send us forth to become more numerous! He called us to a mission. He put us in the midst of society like a handful of yeast: the yeast of the Beatitudes and the fraternal love by which, as Christians, we can all join in making present his kingdom.”

Francis stated that the Christian mission does not consist in baptizing more Christians but in generating “change” and awakening “wonder and compassion.” He said that Christians do this by the way they live with their non-Christian neighbours. The pope condemned proselytization — the attempt to bring others into the Christian community — and cited the words of his predecessor.

“In other words, the paths of mission are not those of proselytism. Please, these paths are not those of proselytism! Let us recall Benedict XVI: ‘the Church grows not through proselytism, but through attraction, through witness’,” he said.


Well, proselytism is one way of doing that.

It is not the only way, and it is usually not the duty of each Christian layman, but it is definitely the duty of the Church as a whole. In some cases it may be especially incumbent on a layman, as he may be the only man able to reach out to a friend or colleague who is not Catholic.

See Matthew 28.

Antipopes Ratzinger and Bergoglio are basically saying a Church that stays quiet and isn't missionary is still a Church. Locally, this may hold, but universally, this may not hold. The Japanese Catholics who stayed hidden between the time when the Shogun persecuted them and the time when Catholicism was made licit again, they may have stayed a Church, or God may have damned some of them for not being missionary, but if they did stay a Church, it was thanks to their being in Communion with Catholics who were proselytising.

Like Veuillot, a man who proselytised Freemasons and Liberal Catholics. Like Father Kolbe of holy memory, whose Rycerz Niepokalanej was proselytising both Freemasons and Jews.

The sentiment of the so called Pope reminds me of that of Communists who between 1952 and 1981 forbade the publication of Rycerz Niepokalanej.

Now, there is a time ago, when Bergoglio said a similar thing to Scalfari, and Jimmy Akin commented on that.

New Catholic Register : Did Pope Francis just say that evangelization* is “nonsense”? 8 things to know and share
Jimmy Akin | Blogs | Oct. 1, 2013
http://www.ncregister.com/blog/jimmy-akin/did-pope-francis-just-say-that-evangelization-is-nonsense-8-things-to-know


Jimmy Akin has undertaken there to defend "Pope Francis" against a charge of not taking the duty of evangelising seriously.

So, what was the exact word of Bergoglio? Note, Scalfari is an atheist, and Bergoglio as supposedly Pope Francis supposedly represents Christianity or Catholicism, and here is the story as told by Scalfari:

The Pope smiles and says: "Some of my colleagues who know you told me that you will try to convert me."

It's a joke I tell him. My friends think it is you want to convert me.

He smiles again and replies: "Proselytism is solemn nonsense, it makes no sense. We need to get to know each other, listen to each other and improve our knowledge of the world around us.
"

What has Jimmy Akin to say?

5) Does Pope Francis’s statements regarding proselytization mean that he believes we should not evangelize or convert people?

No. Pope Francis has an extremely clear focus on evangelization.

...

6) Isn’t proselytization the same thing as evangelization?

Although the word has historically been used this way, in recent decades a new, technical meaning for “proselytization” has emerged in ecclesiastical circles.

It is not the same thing as evangelization, and Pope Francis was not dissing evangelization in his remarks.

7) So what is “proselytization” in this new sense?

Basically, it’s trying to strong-arm people into the faith, putting undue pressure on them rather than allowing them to make a free choice for Christ. ...


Does it really mean that?

In fact, if I argue with someone, for instance arguing that Matthew 28:20 requires the Church to have been present and (in the light of Matthew 5:15 visibly so) all centuries, and this would leave sufficient traces to verify the presence of the Church historically, then a Protestant would protest I were trying to "strong-arm" him into Catholicism. Or putting undue pressure. As long as he was not in fact convinced by my argument, he would feel the pressure my tactic was trying to put on his error by pointing out it leads to Christianity being untrue, Christ's promise not kept, even if it was made both in Matthew 28:20 and Matthew 16:18, was an undue pressure. Even if he were convinced, someone who was in his Protestant surroundings would feel that the pressure I had put on his error was an undue pressure. And if they in turn were convinced, someone else would feel that.

In theory, one could have a Catholic hierarchy strongly forbidding strong-arming, but highly recommending arguing well. But in practise, if the hierarchy (supposed such) says that so and so is proselytising, in the sense of strong-arming, it is arguable that they have simply caved in to the Pharisaic scandal taken by someone over a Catholic using strong arguments. Which the Catholic has a right to use, because they are true. In other words, the hierarchy is willing to have no blame over proselytising in their own ranks, but to tell any outsider "scandalised" by some layman "proselytising" that sure, the outsider was free to go after that proselytiser, the hierarchy has no part in him.

So, in fact, the word proselytisation or proselytism, it means in practise some outsider accused so and so of proselytism, accused so and so of strong-arming.

It is probably taken over from "Orthodox" who were caving in to Communism, and what Bergoglio told Christians in Morocco is precisely what Patriarchate of Moscow was saying in the 70's and continuing to say in the 80's. It is the same rot as when - I think it was Kirill - said that forbidding abortion is "Christian Sharia" - even if it was Christian legislation from the time of Constantine to the Russian Revolution. I think I later saw a contrary statement from Kirill, he stated abortion must be forbidden, which is correct. But in certain decades, Russian Orthodox of the Moscow type (not the ROCOR type) were criticising Evangelicals and Catholics for demanding Pro-Life politics.

Morocco allows abortion to save a woman's life, to preserve her physical health, to preserve her mental health, after rape and incest and in case of foetal impairment. So, Morocco has a very anti-Christian take on abortion, allowing too much, and forbidding only in case of economic and social factors and on request. In that sense, Morocco is nearly comparable to Communist dictatorships. Only, usually they allowed abortion then too. Belarus, Bulgaria, Czech Republic, Hungary, Moldova, Romania, Russian Federation, Slovakia, Ukraine still have abortion free for all these cases. This is a horrible list of shame. Same goes for Albania, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Croatia, Greece, Italy, Kosovo, Montenegro, Portugal, Serbia, Slovenia, Spain, Republic of Macedonia, most of which are ex-Communist, and had the same arrangement under Communism, but Italy, Spain and Portugal changed laws to more Communist ones after Fascism was ended.

Here is how this list of shame began:

By the mid 20th century, many countries had begun to liberalize abortion laws, at least when performed to protect the life of the woman, and in some cases on woman's request. Under Vladimir Lenin, the Soviet Union legalized abortions on request in 1920. The Bolsheviks saw abortion as a social evil created by the capitalist system, which left women without the economic means to raise children, forcing them to perform abortions. The Soviet state initially preserved the tsarists ban on abortion, which treated the practice as premeditated murder. However, abortion had been practiced by Russian women for decades and its incidence skyrocketed further as a result of the Russian Civil War, which had left the country economically devastated and made it extremely difficult for many people to have children. The Soviet state recognized that banning abortion would not stop the practice because women would continue using the services of private abortionists. In rural areas, these were often old women who had no medical training, which made their services very dangerous to the women's health. In November 1920 the Soviet regime legalized abortion in state hospitals. The state considered abortion as a temporary necessary evil, which would disappear in the future communist society, which would be able to provide for all the children conceived.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_law

This gives us occasion to look back on one bad aspect even on the good news, the news where Bergoglio was interviewed by Jordi Évole and he stated:

When Évole countered by saying that in some countries there are women who have been imprisoned for participating in the abortion of their children, the Pope said, “I won’t argue about the civil law of each country. My question comes before civil law, before Church law, to the human: Is it just to eliminate a human being to solve a problem? Is it just to hire an assassin to solve a problem? Everything else stems from that. That is the basic question.”


Obviously, a Catholic should defend the legislation which punishes abortion. A statement like "I won’t argue about the civil law of each country" is at best a bit over cautious, but could also mean a refusal to admit that Christ has a right to rule over bodies as well as over souls, and therefore through State as well as through Church.

Note, this right of Christ does not mean that the state can sacrosanctify itself as representative of Christ when doing anti-Christian legislation. Moroccan law saying that converting to Christianity is forbidden and merits prison is a crime, not a law, and in that law, Morocco's state (from Mohammed VI down to the least police constable) is not representing Christ. Precisely as Nero was representing Christ when punishing thieves, but not when martyring Christians.

Similarily, abortion cannot be allowed just because Nero, Lenin or Mohammed VI are not or not sufficiently forbidding it. These men were not representing Christ in that respect. Christ has a right to rule through the state, and a secular ruler who allows abortion or forbids conversion to Catholicism or forbids Catholics to remain Catholics despite antipopes like Ratzinger and Bergoglio, is stealing from Christ.

Hans Georg Lundahl
Nanterre UL
Pope St. Xystus I**
3.IV.2019

* Jimmy Akin uses the American spellings, where Greek verbs in -izo get -ize. ** Romae natalis beati Xysti Primi, Papae et Martyris; qui, temporibus Hadriani Imperatoris, summa cum laude rexit Ecclesiam, ac demum, sub Antonino Pio, ut sibi Christum lucrifaceret, libenter mortem sustinuit temporalem.

This one is so good, that Bergoglio cannot yet be completely the false prophet:

America : Pope Francis says give to the homeless, don't worry about how they spend it, as Lent begins
Michael J. O’Loughlin February 28, 2017
https://www.americamagazine.org/politics-society/2017/02/28/pope-francis-says-give-homeless-dont-worry-about-how-they-spend-it-lent


I don't mean he is not a likely candidate, but even Satan was once good. My point is, this is a sign he has not yet fallen that deeply, and can still avert it./HGL

Wait, perhaps I spoke too soon./HGL

Tuesday, 2 April 2019

Stats again / encore des statistiques (with links / avec des liens)


Le système pour les liens / system for these links
Premier blog par pays dernier semaine, compté 26.III.2019
Deuxième blog par pays dernière semaine, compté 1.IV.2019
Trois posts en top par blog concerné

États-Unis / United States
4342 New blog on the kid
2010 Assorted retorts from yahoo boards and elsewhere

France
3957 New blog on the kid
170 Φιλολoγικά/Philologica

Russie / Russia
3100 New blog on the kid
359 HGL's F.B. writings

Ukraine
2245 New blog on the kid
123 Auf Deutsch (auf Antimodernism und später)

Italie / Italy
881 Creation vs. Evolution
224 Φιλολoγικά/Philologica

Premier blog par pays
Yes, I signed (ENG) · La religion d'Hitler (lien) (FR) · God Save His Soul, if Possible (ENG) · Ten Answers (ENG) · Conditions, comment les imprimer/how to print them (ENG/FR) · Drodzy Polacy - i Rosjanie itd. (POL)· What Readers Should Expect from my Blogs (ENG) · There is No Reading Public? (ENG) · Fatima - Bad News and Good News - the latter provided by Pope Michael (ENG) · A Relevant Quote from J. R. R. Tolkien (ENG) · Hans-Georg Gadamer was of the "Frankfurter Schule"? - get Inklings for me please! [correction at the bottom of the article] (ENG) · Answering Freeman (ENG) · Distinguons (FR) · Would Gay Marriage Allow them an Authentic Life? (ENG) · Do not support World Childhood Foundation! (ENG)

Deuxième blog par pays
Have these dialogues taken place? Yes. (ENG) · A thread from Catholic.com (more may be added) (ENG) · Answering Steve Rudd (ENG) · CMI Took on Nephelim (Mostly Good) (ENG) · TopTenz taking on Historical Myths ... Mostly Good (ENG) · The Real Problem with Freemasonry (ENG) · Pfirti' oder B'förd' di'? (DE) · Rund um Philippa von Hennegau - Heiratsalter der Frauen (DE) · Aus Chromosome/Wiki/de (DE) · Zuckerberg's Vandalism Continues (ENG) · Or Maybe Not? (ENG) · I was sending them this by message (ENG) · Clarification (FR) · Badreads? (ENG) · Governors of Indiana, 25 = 2*12 (ENG)

Je viens de repérer que le deuxième blog pour France, c'était pas Assorted retorts, mais Philologica.

Bible Chapters, Facts (ENG) · Le Père de Ste. Walpurge (FR) · Ninos et Sémiramis (FR)


23 mars 2019 16:00

Pages vues hier 1591 = 125 + 97 + 7 + 0 + 0 + 19 + 127 + 126 + 0 + 88 + 15 + 0 + 0 + 16 + 84 + 94 + 0 + 0 + 4 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 1 + 0 + 0 + 17 + 64 + 4 + 371 + 15 + 129 + 5 + 88 + 4 + 0 + 24 + 1 + 0 + 6 + 60

Pages vues le mois dernier 49252 (:30=1641,7333333333333333333333333333) = 3538 + 102 + 76 + 122 + 1318 + 35 + 835 + 1078 + 884 + 1048 + 335 + 18146 + 558 + 455 + 280 + 136 + 95 + 52 + 99 + 204 + 73 + 196 + 146 + 10 + 12 + 4931 + 257 + 454 + 599 + 31 + 1146 + 361 + 259 + 1768 + 3660 + 1471 + 36 + 18 + 465 + 3714 + 249

25 févr. 2019 – 26 mars 2019

Total: 42803 = 9662 + 8538 + 8510 + 5071 + 3701 + 1560 + 1380 + 942 + 872 + 566 + 554 + 412 + 388 + 194 + 68 + 58 + 52 + 52 + 43 + 42 + 41 + 28 + 27 + 15 + 8 + 5 + 3 + 3 + 2 + 2 + 2 + 1 + 1

Per day / par jour 1426.77 = 42803/30

Russie 9662
= 6 + 17 + 386 + 315 + 48 + 2 + 298 + 956 + 401 + 8 + 25 + 5 + 192 + 1911 + 124 + 51 + 12 + 7 + 56 + 50 + 3100 + 69 + 240 + 38 + 235 + 174 + 538 + 62 + 16 + 26 + 3 + 1 + 16 + 128 + 3 + 90 + 3 + 2 + 48

États-Unis 8538
= 654 + 612 + 5 + 481 + 71 + 4 + 11 + 27 + 7 + 14 + 55 + 146 + 4341 + 45 + 426 + 201 + 15 + 31 + 7 +52 + 19 + 151 + 3 + 10 + 5 + 10 + 6 + 1 + 523 + 135 + 2 + 237 + 10 + 4 + 102 + 72 + 3 + 32 + 5 + 1 + 2

France 8510
= 6 + 11 + 170 + 339 + 12 + 3951 + 144 + 32 + 5 + 4 + 18 + 10 + 1 + 43 + 411 + 2 + 532 + 405 + 13 + 186 + 4 + 103 + 275 + 16 + 190 + 307 + 3 + 166 + 585 + 2 + 32 + 32 + 18 + 85 + 15 + 192 + 104 + 67 + 19

Ukraine 5071
= 7 + 27 + 321 + 13 + 64 + 13 + 163 + 6 + 2245 + 19 + 51 + 4 + 11 + 2 + 23 + 545 + 42 + 4 + 17 + 213 + 225 + 209 + 2 + 21 + 277 + 164 + 118 + 9 + 137 + 29 + 3 + 78 + 9

Italie 3701
= 866 + 1 + 608 + 881 + 819 + 526

région indéterminée 1560
= 146 + 153 + 2 + 97 + 116 + 185 + 2 + 110 + 4 + 90 + 137 + 11 + 97 + 13 + 116 + 2 + 4 + 6 + 148 + 87 + 34

Singapour 1380
= 42 + 4 + 30 + 10 + 4 + 3 + 8 + 23 + 35 + 47 + 11 + 2 + 13 + 10 + 5 + 4 + 39 + 4 + 10 + 4 + 2 + 2 + 2 + 2 + 18 + 2 + 28 + 4 + 4 + 4 + 4 + 4 + 25 + 11 + 850 + 11 + 42 + 17 + 24 + 11 + 5

Belgique 942
= 153 + ... (lost details/détails perdus)

Émirats arabes unis 872
= 146 + 6 + 16 + 15 + 9 + 138 + 112 + 11 + 85 + 25 + 4 + 11 + 13 + 15 + 2 + 10 + 13 + 8 + 29 + 1 + 1 + 21 + 6 + 19 + 19 + 137

Allemagne 566
= 77 + 133 + 3 + 10 + 81 + 2 + 30 + 17 + 22 + 178 + 5 + 8

Canada 554
= 150 + 2 + 15 + 27 + 20 + 120 + 11 + 25 + 13 + 4 + 28 + 12 + 1 + 7 + 7 + 11 + 53 + 8 + 16 + 8 + 7 + 9
  Royaume-Uni 412
= 46 + 4 + 1 + 3 + 1 + 218 + 139

Pays-Bas 388
= 2 + 119 + 179 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 85

Indonésie 194
= 7 + 6 + 3 + 6 + 11 + 9 + 7 + 16 + 3 + 3 + 3 + 3 + 18 + 4 + 3 + 3 + 3 + 4 + 4 + 4 + 19 + 4 + 6 + 18 + 2 + 3 + 3 + 8 + 8 + 3

Portugal 68
= 28 + 40

Vietnam 58

Irlande 52
= 4 + 7 + 32 + 9

Chine 52

Suède 43
= 1 + 41 + 1

Ouzbékistan 42

Philippines 41
= 4 + 7 + 10 + 7 + 13

Brésil 28
= 2 + 16 + 10

Inde 27
= 25 + 2

Moldavie 15

Biélorussie 8

Espagne 5

Hong Kong 3
Australie 3

Thaïlande 2
Arabie saoudite 2
Roumanie 2

Japon 1
Pakistan 1


Mise à jour / update:

7 avr. 2019 13:00 – 8 avr. 2019 12:00
7 avr. 2019 14:00 – 8 avr. 2019 13:00
Total 1193
406 + 250 + 188 + 139 + 106 + 15 + 15 + 15 + 15 + 13 + 6 + 4 + 3 + 3 + 2 + 2 + 2 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 = 1193
 8 mars 2019 – 6 avr. 2019
Total 54657
22505 + 8165 + 7134 + 5331 + 3404 + 1316 + 1305 + 1138 + 996 + 966 + 778 + 474 + 418 + 152 + 141 + 91 + 78 + 75 + 62 + 38 + 32 + 29 + 14 + 5 + 4 + 3 + 2 + 1 = 54657
 
États-Unis 406
3 + 1 + 43 + 2 + 1 + 10 + 1 + 193 + 1 + 6 + 6 + 53 + 4 + 8 + 9 + 50 + 6 + 1 + 4 + 1 + 3 = 406
Ukraine 250
19 + 2 + 2 + 7 + 4 + 2 + 10 + 22 + 5 + 12 + 16 + 4 + 134 + 9 + 2 = 250
Russie 188
1 + 2 + 4 + 4 + 36 + 10 + 5 + 8 + 1 + 36 + 18 + 2 + 34 + 4 + 10 + 11 + 2 = 188
Belgique 139
Pays-Bas 106
1 + 1 + 103 + 1 = 106
Brésil 15
1 + 14 = 15
Inde 15
1 + 2 + 1 + 11 = 15
Royaume-Uni 15
1 + 1 + 3 + 1 + 4 + 2 + 3 = 15
Allemagne 15
7 + 1 + 2 + 4 + 1 = 15
France 13
1 + 1 + 2 + 2 + 3 + 2 + 1 + 1 = 13
Émirats arabes unis 6
1 + 1 + 1 + 3 = 6
Roumanie 4
1 + 3 = 4
Suède 3
1 + 2 = 3
Turquie 3
1 + 1 + 1 = 3
Italie 2
1 + 1 = 2
Vietnam 2
1 + 1 = 2
Indonésie 2
Tchéquie 1
Qatar 1
Philippines 1
Israël 1
Portugal 1
Pologne 1
Australie 1
Colombie 1
Thaïlande 1
 États-Unis 22505
5 + 54 + 3 + 7 + 7 + 4 + 256 + 15 + 5 + 3308 + 2691 + 49 + 5 + 3192 + 21 + 8 + 3347 + 14 + 149 + 2404 + 66 + 179 + 430 + 2661 + 70 + 1 + 2 + 3 + 3114 + 7 + 12 + 15 + 55 + 13 + 76 + 6 + 92 + 5 + 121 + 6 + 27 = 22505
France 8165
352 + 510 + 402 + 105 + 30 + 597 + 52 + 32 + 222 + 5 + 4 + 69 + 17 + 1 + 18 + 7 + 5 + 8 + 21 + 2 + 89 + 176 + 347 + 148 + 8 + 337 + 4 + 10 + 32 + 95 + 79 + 21 + 3811 + 225 + 85 + 42 + 194 + 3 = 8165
Russie 7134
171 + 8 + 779 + 168 + 23 + 4 + 33 + 257 + 64 + 57 + 3 + 3 + 315 + 20 + 183 + 34 + 157 + 6 + 374 + 25 + 24 + 64 + 1583 + 251 + 163 + 2 + 1394 + 10 + 135 + 1 + 47 + 38 + 4 + 53 + 625 + 29 + 27 = 7134
Ukraine 5331
242 + 34 + 114 + 48 + 105 + 28 + 4 + 21 + 136 + 48 + 549 + 79 + 21 + 22 + 274 + 267 + 1 + 12 + 279 + 11 + 146 + 7 + 163 + 2308 + 81 + 10 + 2 + 9 + 164 + 2 + 136 + 2 + 6 = 5331
Italie 3404
799 + 518 + 801 + 1 + 333 + 952 = 3404
région indéterminée 1316
244 + 2 + 8 + 41 + 136 + 132 + 105 + 97 + 4 + 46 + 69 + 1 + 69 + 4 + 69 + 50 + 2 + 100 + 2 + 5 + 6 + 103 + 21 = 1316
Singapour 1305
6 + 10 + 4 + 3 + 8 + 5 + 23 + 45 + 11 + 12 + 10 + 26 + 2 + 4 + 39 + 11 + 5 + 2 + 11 + 41 + 20 + 17 + 11 + 17 + 4 + 4 + 4 + 2 + 2 + 2 + 10 + 4 + 849 + 24 + 4 + 4 + 49 = 1305
Émirats arabes unis 1138
6 + 16 + 184 + 138 + 2 + 13 + 144 + 6 + 2 + 1 + 11 + 173 + 13 + 11 + 19 + 29 + 34 + 12 + 169 + 112 + 10 + 8 + 15 + 9 + 1 = 1138
Pays-Bas 996
118 + 1 + 185 + 179 + 232 + 174 + 100 + 7 = 996
Belgique 966
105 + 133 + 62 + 18 + 194 + 30 + 82 + 63 + 126 + 153 = 966
Allemagne 778
9 + 182 + 18 + 248 + 52 + 4 + 74 + 81 + 20 + 4 + 13 + 73 = 778
Canada 474
7 + 11 + 4 + 11 + 2 + 11 + 7 + 53 + 8 + 16 + 120 + 23 + 7 + 10 + 9 + 1 + 7 + 1 + 25 + 120 + 21 = 474
Royaume-Uni 418
40 + 5 + 139 + 1 + 229 + 4 = 418
Indonésie 152
10 + 4 + 4 + 4 + 5 + 7 + 10 + 4 + 5 + 4 + 4 + 4 + 5 + 12 + 5 + 4 + 4 + 4 + 7 + 7 + 6 + 4 + 6 + 4 + 4 + 5 + 5 + 5 = 152
Japon 141
41 + 100 = 141
Vietnam 91
59 + 32 = 91
Irlande 78
4 + 9 + 6 + 9 + 44 + 6 = 78
Pologne 75
40 + 35 = 75
Suède 62
5 + 2 + 3 + 52 = 62
Inde 38
3 + 1 + 1 + 4 + 27 + 2 = 38
Brésil 32
10 + 1 + 1 + 17 + 3 = 32
Philippines 29
9 + 7 + 3 + 10 = 29
Moldavie 14
Espagne 5
Hong Kong 4
Australie 3
Arabie saoudite 2
Roumanie 1

As you may have noted


Should I Write Less? · As you may have noted

Yesterday was April First.

I didn't actually publish much yesterday, but I was busy writing some, which I publish today, when it won't be taken as an April Fools' Prank.

This one was completed yesterday, though I had to replace a deleted comment today, except I did the html today:

Assorted retorts from yahoo boards and elsewhere : Two Videos Denouncing "Inbreeding"
https://assortedretorts.blogspot.com/2019/04/two-videos-denouncing-inbreeding.html

Monday, 1 April 2019