Should NZ Have Exiled the Christchurch Mosque and Attending Members?

New blog on the kid : Should NZ Have Exiled the Christchurch Mosque and Attending Members? · Correspondence of Hans Georg Lundahl : News Correspondence after Christchurch

I don't agree with the shooting.

But, I just found out, "the Mosque had radicalised" two men who became Jihadist terrorists.

A man basically radicalises himself whichever way he wants, and not always in bloody ways.

However, in this case, two men, "al-Qaida recruit Daryl Jones, killed by a drone, and Christopher Havard," became terrorists after attending Al Noor Mosque in Christchurch, the one where Tarrant committed a killing spree.

I have this news from United Nelsonia, a nationalist organisation promoting independence for Nelson Province, which seems to have been annexed to New Zealand during 19th Century. In other words, they are close neighbours to where this happened, they have ambitions which would normally keep them from flat out lying about things, so, presumably this is true.

Quoting the next words:

The boys were in Yemen with the guys who trained the Charlie Hebdo killers. A 2014 story at Stuff.co.nz (now scrubbed from the internet) quotes a mosque attendee who says, “A visiting speaker from Indonesia talked about violent jihad and plenty shared his views.” Three questions: How many news reports have you read these details in? If you’d known that this mosque was a terrorist factory, would it have changed your feelings about the news at all? Finally, how does it make you feel to learn that the media has been not just ignoring these facts but deleting stories to hide them over the past 24 hours?

I am glad I did not consider all the killed Mosque attendants as "innocent", except they are so in a normal penal procedure.

When it comes to immigrants of Muslim religion, I consider it possible and not over the top to expel a local community from which grave repeated misdemeanors or even felonies (of anti-majority hatred) have been perpetrated.

Now, to the three questions:

How many news reports have you read these details in?

It is now, as I write this line, 26.III.2019, 11 days after the shooting on Friday 15.III.2019. United Nelsonia, giving its FB presence some news stories, is the first medium which tells me this side of the story.

If you’d known that this mosque was a terrorist factory, would it have changed your feelings about the news at all?

I still feel bad about the shooting, but one could readily imagine a just government in Christchurch taking the attendants into custody, giving them choice of destinations in Muslim countries, giving them trustees for selling their property in Christchurch, and sending them away on planes quickly after the original news about Daryl Jones and Christopher Havard became known.

Finally, how does it make you feel to learn that the media has been not just ignoring these facts but deleting stories to hide them over the past 24 hours?

Supposing United Nelsonia is honest on this issue, this seems a major move to media dishonesty.

I don't "feel" much, I think modern media can on some levels be expected to do this.

But here is one media outlet which has not deleted its reference:

Al Qaeda video shows NZ drone victims
4:56 pm on 21 April 2016
https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/world/302047/al-qaeda-video-shows-nz-drone-victims
Copyright © 2016, Radio New Zealand

Now one detail.

The news on United Nelsonia's page is from March 18. It cites verbatim a note by Milo Yiannopoulos from March 16. But the image under Milo's comment is not of the two men, the image under United Nelsonia's post is, and so is the Radio New Zealand article's image.

Between Milo on March 16 and United Nelsonia on March 18, there is a news story from March 17:

Milo Yiannopoulos Claims Christchurch Mosque Had Links to Radical Islam
Sputniknews : Asia & Pacific
13:56 17.03.2019(updated 13:59 17.03.2019)
https://sputniknews.com/asia/201903171073315161-milo-yiannopoulos-al-noor-mosque-radicalism-report/

It does not feature the image of the two men. It does not quote Milo's three questions (which I started out answering before I knew they were Milo's). So, United Nelsonia has to have accessed Milo's post either directly or via Sputniknews (which did not, in its present shape, it was updated, quote all of it). But he has also to have accessed (and can easily have done so) the image on that article on Radio New Zealand.

This implies, he knew of at least one news medium which was not covering and deleting references to the fact.

And he is still accepting the story that :

the media has been not just ignoring these facts but deleting stories to hide them over the past 24 hours?

I was going to ask if he was robotically repeating what he had been told, despite evidence to the contrary. But there is another possibility. How many other stories have been deleted, if this one is still there? He said "deleting stories" - indefinite as to exactly how many - not deleting all of them.

I did notice trying to save a backup for the story of RNZ on webcitation, and failing:



I also got no webcite to my given mail, just checked that too.

Sputniknews has this comment:

He cited a 2014 story by news site Stuff.co.nz (now deleted, an archived copy is available here). It reported that two young Australian men, Daryl Jones and Christopher Havard, were radicalised by preachers at Al-Noor.

And the archived copy is this link:

https://web.archive.org/web/20140727140346/www.stuff.co.nz/world/middle-east/10310496/A-Kiwi-lads-death-by-drone

And - like webcite a bit - web archive is not showing anything but a white page:



So, there is at least some blacking that is being done on at least the level of internet.

I don't see eye to eye with United Nelsonia on all things, like their/his age limits (they are on the 18 years trip), but I think they have told some important things in regards to this affair. No, you can't shoot people just because some guys years ago became terrorists among them, but government can put such communities into planes away from New Zealand or whereever.

Hans Georg Lundahl
Nanterre UL
St Castulus, martyr
26.III.2019

Romae, via Lavicana, sancti Castuli Martyris, qui, cum esset zetarius Palatii et hospes Sanctorum, a persecutoribus tertio appensus, tertio auditus, et, in confessione Domini perseverans, missus est in foveam, ac, dimissa super eum massa arenaria, martyrio coronatus est.

Update: It seems, there were two Mosques in Christchurch, both Al Noor and the Linwood mosque.

The peace from RNZ does not state (as it is now) which mosque the two men went to. I have a vague memory of it saying Al Noor when I posted link, but just to make sure, I asked the people over at the Mosque which Mosque it was the two men had "converted" to Islam./HGL

Or, are. Both are still there./HGL