Why I Prefer Written Over Oral Debate

Orthodox Christian HUMILIATES Stuart and Cliffe Knechtle in Eucharist Debate #shorts #viral #church
Reason & Theology | 7 avr. 2025
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dT6cfHjkRso

Mihret Melaku, Deacon of the Ethiopian Church, stated that all the early Church Fathers (I suppose he meant Sts Ignatius and Irenaeus, and who pronounced themselves on the matter) believed the Real Presence.

Mr. Knechtle stated he could "promise" this Deacon that not all of them did.

And, here is the point. Orally, Mr. Knechtle sounded more assured, the Deacon more humble. But as to actually checking, the format didn't allow that.

In a written debate over the internet, I'd have told Mr. Knechtle to look one up who didn't.

Perhaps he would have cited "spiritual, not carnal" in St. John Chrysostom. Perhaps he would have cited the allegation that St. Ambrose didn't believe it.

Now, St. John Chrysostom in other ways made clear he considered the elements as after consecration being Body and Blood of Christ, the most precious thing in the material universe. And the citation goes "spiritual, not carnal" it doesn't say "metaphoric not actual" nor does it say "the spirit of Christ, but not the actual body of Christ", just "spiritual, not carnal" ... that's part of my argument.

As to St. Ambrose, the allegation by History Forger James Aitken Wylie is refuted by a good text of St. Ambrose. Wylie was either very sloppy, or he used a fake text without knowing it (so he continued someone else's forgery), or he lied about what he had read. As I mentioned some time before ten years ago, consciously or unconsciously, Wylie is a history forger.

Not to mention that St. John Chrysostom and St. Ambrose are both some centuries after Sts Ignatius and Irenaeus, just the generation after Apostolic Fathers, or for St. Ignatius even an Apostolic Father.
/Hans Georg Lundahl