No, I'm not a King James Onlyist, as I stated nine years ago:
Just for the record, my online English Bible is DRB. And if I get hold of Father Ronald Knox, I'll take a look at that too, it has pre-Vatican II imprimatur, I think.
But SOME guys associate me with KJ-onlyists because I am generally a Biblical inerrantist - especially YEC and Geocentric.
My Biblical chronology is also LXX via St Jerome and Roman Martyrology for 25 of December. Christ born 5199 anno Mundi.
Assorted retorts from yahoo boards and elsewhere: ... or rather remarks on vaticancatholic's video on KJV-Onlyism
Sunday, November 13, 2016 | Posted by Hans Georg Lundahl
https://assortedretorts.blogspot.com/2016/11/or-rather-remarks-on-vaticancatholics.html
Some people think, if I only were open to other Bible versions, I wouldn't be Young Earth Creationist, as said. Let's check, Genesis 5:3—5:
And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat a son in his own likeness, and after his image; and called his name Seth: And the days of Adam after he had begotten Seth were eight hundred years: and he begat sons and daughters: And all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years: and he died. (King James)
And Adam lived a hundred and thirty years, and begot a son to his own image and likeness, and called his name Seth. 4 And the days of Adam, after he begot Seth, were eight hundred years: and he begot sons and daughters. 5 And all the time that Adam lived came to nine hundred and thirty years, and he died. (Douay Rheims, the Catholic version)
Which is based on:
Vixit autem Adam centum triginta (130) annis : et genuit ad imaginem et similitudinem suam, vocavitque nomen ejus Seth Et facti sunt dies Adam, postquam genuit Seth, octingenti (800) anni : genuitque filios et filias Et factum est omne tempus quod vixit Adam, anni nongenti triginta (930), et mortuus est (Vulgate, the Catholic version in Latin)
Here is Knox:
Adam was a hundred and thirty years old when he begot in his image, his likeness, the son whom he called Seth. He lived eight hundred years more, and lived to be nine hundred and thirty. (Ronald Knox)
Why is there no mention of "begat sons and daughters"? Ronald Knox leaves a footnote:
Throughout this chapter, the Hebrew forms of expression have been recast for the sake of brevity.
No, Father Ronnie, I'll have to pray a Hail Mary for your soul now, the expression actually has content. It means with Adam that Cain, Abel and Seth were not his only children and that some of the others were women.
Here is the LXX, the version used by lots of Church Fathers and Councils, one that the Church hasn't banned and cannot ban:
ἔζησε δὲ ᾿Αδὰμ τριάκοντα καὶ διακόσια (230) ἔτη, καὶ ἐγέννησε κατὰ τὴν ἰδέαν αὐτοῦ καὶ κατὰ τὴν εἰκόνα αὐτοῦ καὶ ἐπωνόμασε τὸ ὄνομα αὐτοῦ Σήθ. ἐγένοντο δὲ αἱ ἡμέραι τοῦ ᾿Αδάμ, ἃς ἔζησε μετὰ τὸ γεννῆσαι αὐτὸν τὸν Σήθ, ἔτη ἑπτακόσια (700), καὶ ἐγέννησεν υἱοὺς καὶ θυγατέρας. καὶ ἐγένοντο πᾶσαι αἱ ἡμέραι ᾿Αδάμ, ἃς ἔζησε, τριάκοντα καὶ ἐννακόσια (930) ἔτη, καὶ ἀπέθανεν. (LXX, Ellopos)
Which the site translates as:
And Adam lived two hundred and thirty years, and begot [a son] after his [own] form, and after his [own] image, and he called his name Seth. And the days of Adam, which he lived after his begetting Seth, were seven hundred years; and he begot sons and daughters. And all the days of Adam which he lived were nine hundred and thirty years, and he died. (again: LXX, Ellopos)
And a version of the LXX is behind the chronology in the Martyrology for Christmas Day, which I use:
Anno a creatione mundi, quando in principio Deus creavit caelum et terram, quinquies millesimo centesimo nonagesimo nono (5199) ; a diluvio autem, anno bis millesimo nongentesimo quinquagesimo septimo (2957); a nativitate Abrahae, anno bis millesimo quintodecimo (2015); (Roman Martyrology, December)
5199 - 2957 = 2242 years, from a LXX Genesis 5 (best earlier reading before the standard version would be 2262 years), and 2957 - 2015 = 942 years, from a LXX Genesis 11 with a probably earlier reading lacking the Second Cainan, who also lacks from some manuscripts of Luke 3.
NONE of the versions has "and Moses left out some generations for brevity" that simply doesn't exist and it also doesn't come out in Patristic or Scholastic comment.
So, if you are anywhere near pretending I'm a King James Onlyist just because I am a Young Earth Creationist, well duh, you are as incompetent as Putin, Vladimir ...
Hans Georg Lundahl
Paris
St. Virgil of Salzburg
27.XI.2025
Salisburgi, in Norico, sancti Virgilii, Episcopi et Carinthiorum Apostoli, qui a Gregorio Nono, Pontifice Maximo, in Sanctorum numerum adscriptus est. (Roman Martyrology, November)
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