Would Conservative Protestants Like a Protestant Civilisation?

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They want to persuade themselves they would.

Doug Wilson dreams of a hypothetic future Protestant Republic. In it, Catholic Churches would be denied the right to Marian processions. But apart from that, Catholics could remain openly Catholics, apparently?

His rationale for opposing the Marian procession is, it's "public idolatry" ... but part of the rationale for the Deformation (he would spell it with an R, not a D) is that Eucharistic adoration is idolatry and Sacrifice of the Mass either idolatry or at least blasphemy.

So, I have a hard time seeing how his future Protestant Republic would not also oppose what's going on inside a Catholic Church to which the doors are usually open, daytime. Perhaps he would change access to the Catholic Church, allowing the public access only for Mass hours, and showing a card to the ussher. Or perhaps he would pretend Catholic Mass is just a version of the Sunday service. The one road is restriction, the other misrepresentation.

Either way, early Protestant civilisation items like England in the days of Charles II (despite his being personally convinced of Catholicism at a time when his brother, the future James VII and II was still a convinced Protestant) would kill priests for celebrating mass and kill laymen for hosting a priest to celebrate Mass or for hiding a priest from detection.

Now, he is against female pastors, rightly so, against the theory of Evolution, rightly so, against full Church acceptance of, not same sex attracted persons, perhaps, but certainly homosexual couples, and rightly so (I'm for acceptance of a ssa person if he or she is into celibacy or into actual Christian marriage, ie makes an exception for one of the opposed sex).

But a late Protestant civilisation has produced, in order of appearance, some from earlier on but more important later:

• Proposals to push Antisemitism to destruction of Synagogues (Luther)
• Masonic type indifferentism, starting with early Rosicrucians (around the beginning of the Thirty Years War)
• Deep Space (Newton, Kant)
• Deep Time (Hutton, Lyell)
• Evolution, including human evolution (Wallace, Darwin)
• Neopagan attacks on "God of the gaps" (Nietzsche was from Röcken, near Lützen)
• acceptance of Evolution in the Church with "Christian" attacks on "God of the gaps" (Henry Drummond, Free Church of Scotland)
• National Socialism (Václav Klofáč and Rudolf Jung took inspiration from the Hussite commander John Zizka of Trocnov and the Chalice; c. 1360 – 11 October 1424)
• Female Pastors
• Persecution of Creationists in Church
• acceptance of gay couples in Church, with "blessings" of partnerships or downright gay weddings.

I suppose Doug Wilson is against all of these, and rightly so. Oh, perhaps excluding Deep Space, but if so he hasn't paid attention to the "Distant Starlight" argument against Young Earth Creationism.

Another item is lying. Doug Wilson might be in denial about this one.

It was a Serb who showed above photo as an exhibit of "Catholic clergy", all of above are in fact Protestant clergy. As he didn't answer my words, I couldn't correct his possible denial, but am doing so here. The two central figures are:

Von Bundesarchiv, Bild 183-H25547 / CC-BY-SA 3.0, CC BY-SA 3.0 de, Link

Ludwig Müller, here shown with Nazi salute at the National Synod of Wittenberg (he was federal bishop or Reichsbischoff) and ...

Friedrich Coch, "von 1933 bis 1945 Landesbischof der Evangelisch-Lutherischen Landeskirche Sachsens." (country bishop of Saxony) with the previous words designating him as a "leading proponent of the German Christians movement (Deutsche Christen in the German original term). He was from Eisenach, near Wartburg.

But this confusion has been entertained by Protestants as well, like his thesis, Stepinac being, on orders of the Vatican, complicit in Jasenovac atrocities of genocidal type against Serbs, has been promoted by Avro Manhattan at Chick Tracts.

I have also seen a photo of Hitler signing a cheque for a Protestant Deaconess presented as Hitler adulated by a "Catholic nun" which clearly she was not.

More often, National Socialism is presented as specially indebted to Catholicism in Austria and Bavaria, because it's clearly in the century leading up to it, Antisemitic. Right, it is Antisemitic on a religious level, and it has promoted what some would call "the Blood Libel" ... I'm not into calling it a libel, but I am against pushing it against all Jews, just as I'm against pushing National Socialism against all Catholic Antisemites. There was a tract about Sts Simon of Trent, Andrew of Rinn and two more child martyrs, I'd exonerate Jews on St. Andrew while leaving him martyrdom status (Chesterton would have probably surmised the "Jews" that that uncle met were actually witches and I'm suspicious of the uncle). It was pushing against "Orthodox" Jews because of similiarities between these and the Medieval Jews, perhaps superficial such. I'd hope those killers were as untypical of Medieval Jews as the Rotschilds are of modern ones.

But it never went beyond religious propaganda. Austro-Fascism, the pure expression of this Catholicism, the direct heir of Karl Lüeger, never persecuted Jews or any ethnic group as such. Oh, people from Czechoslovakia were expelled from factories and deported back over the border.

The huge difference between Austro-Fascism and NSDAP was that NSDAP was pro-medicine and pro-science, in a sense that divorced ethics from Catholicism or even from Protestant Christian ethics (Protestantism has an inherent tendency this direction, in the idea of "simul justus et peccator" and it was accentuated by Deutsche Christen). Austro-Fascism never divorced political ethics from Catholic ethics. That's why Jews, Roma, Sinti were safe, as far as the government was concerned, in Austria prior to 1938. And so were handicapped people. That's why they could face unjust hardships in Germany as early as 1933 (confiscated property, for Jews, socially motivated slave hunting, "tramp camps" for among others Gipsies, while handicapped people could be "mercy killed" from September 1939, including in former and future Austria, by then "Ostmark", and sterilised since February 1934, as in Protestant countries of Scandinavia up to the 1970's). But this, the Protestants prefer to gloss over, and Doug Wilson has unjustly gone after Nick Fuentes.

I may like some National Socialists today (notably Nordfront in Sweden). But I'm not into all of their politics, and this is partly because I'm Catholic and Fredrik and Paulina (I hope they become Catholics one day, they are currently Neo-Pagans) are indirect heirs to a Protestant culture, one which when it could no longer persecute Catholics after Gustaf III or converts to Catholicism after 1860, chose to obfuscate Catholicism. The other day, an article showed the difference. In England, there was a directive to make fewer forced hospitalisations of Black people for psychosis. To Nordfront redactors the prior state was not racist, but simply reflected these people having a higher degree of genetic fragility to psychosis. To me, I'm happy the directive points to racist or racist adjacent motivations (also known as hyper civilisation) in the diagnosis criteria. Obviously I'd hope it leads to fewer White Brits being hospitalised as well. Including, perhaps, if that's the case, the mother of Preston Davies.

Hans Georg Lundahl
Nanterre UL
Martyrs of Gorkum
9.VII.2026

Brilae, in Hollandia, passio novemdecim Martyrum, Gorcomiensium nuncupatorum; quorum ex numero novem Sacerdotes ac duo Laici erant Fratres Minores, quatuor Presbyteri saeculares, duo Praemonstratenses, unus Regularis Canonicus sancti Augustini, et unus Dominicanus. Hi omnes, ob tuendam Ecclesiae Romanae auctoritatem et realem Christi in Eucharistia praesentiam, a Calvinianis haereticis varia ludibria et tormenta perpessi, tandem, in trabem acti, agonem suum, adstrictis laqueo faucibus, consummarunt; et a Pio Nono, Pontifice Maximo, inter sanctos Martyres relati sunt.