An Academic Avoids Responding, and a Non-Academic Bungles

Thycho Zwart who answered me is not Milo Rossi aka as Miniminuteman, since not only the name is other, but he also stated "without a degree" ...

By the way, since Milo Rossi is in this video at the Paluxy River, there are other videos with him in Göbekli Tepe and in Karahan Tepe.

Awful Archaeology Ep. 4: Creationist Footprint Conspiracies
Miniminuteman | 6 Febr. 2022
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=verRtBYZHgg

Hans-Georg Lundahl

@hglundahl

OK, guy, I basically challenged you to another Creationist Archaeology.

Göbekli Tepe = Nimrod's Babel.

You have been there, debunk me.

Thycho Zwart

@thychozwart2451

I can do that without a degree and never having been there in just one sentence.

They didn't have written language.

If Babel is the birthplace of ALL language, why is there NONE present at all in any of the chambers on any of the pillars and in any of the nearby settlements. There's only pictograms and carvings. And don't say BUT THOSE ARE UNIVERSAL because they are decidedly and demonstrably not universal. Gobekli and Kerahan Tepe both had realistic animal depictions carved in multiple places over like ~3000 years. But in nearly every other early settlement and civilization the walls are instead filled with demigods and humanoid animals.

Hans-Georg Lundahl

@thychozwart2451 Babel is most certainly NOT the birthplace of all language.

And the point is, anything before Göbekli Tepe that could be writing are 32 symbols (including the hashtag) found all around the world, the same 32 symbols, along the cave paintings.

Anything after Göbekli Tepe we find only regionally spanning forms of what is generally considered Proto-Writing.

Before Göbekli Tepe cultural (and probably linguistic) unity. After Göbekli Tepe cultural and very presumably linguistic disunity. Where was that again in the Bible? Yes, right, Babel, Genesis 11. Thank you for making my point.

@thychozwart2451 "Gobekli and Kerahan Tepe both had realistic animal depictions carved in multiple places over like ~3000 years."

You mean carbon dated years. In real = BIblical chronology, that would be a far shorter time. By the way, I think beginning of Karahan Tepe to end of Göbekli Tepe would be only 2000 years in carbon dates. "10 000 BC to 8000 BC" ...

"But in nearly every other early settlement and civilization the walls are instead filled with demigods and humanoid animals."

That comes later, that idolatry comes in the time of Ninus and not in the time of Nimrod.

@thychozwart2451 "And don't say BUT THOSE ARE UNIVERSAL because they are decidedly and demonstrably not universal."

Why would we expect everything from Babel to be universal? It ended in a great split up.

Göbekli Tepe was a series of stone circles, and we find stone circles after that in Nabta Playa and in Stonehenge.

One pillar shows a vulture on top of a human body, and we find vulture-men in Polynesia. One recurrent symbol is a lying oval cut in the middle so it looks a little bit like a figure 8 turned 90°, and that one is found in Australia. Vultures are recurrent in the region, and on ceramics from Çatal Höyyük we find clearly headless people lying under approaching vultures. It was probably a method of execution, and we find Andine peoples associating condors with justice and with the cruelty of death penalty from the gods.

None of this is universal. That kind of is the point. If these were universals, truly such, it could be a coincidence that they are also found in Göbekli Tepe. But they aren't universals. So it isn't a coincidence they are from all those different regions (but in different items, very different items) found in Göbekli Tepe too.

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