The theme as such would come on my Creationist blog, Creation vs. Evolution. The format per se, like answers to questions on quora or dialogues under such answers, if in English, would be on Assorted retorts from yahoo boards and elsewhere. But right now when trying to find the latter on blogger, I came to my main blog.
I came from scrolling on old answers on a quora profile of mine that was banned. I'll actually add a bonus.
- Q
- How did the biblical story of creation survive the flood?
https://www.quora.com/How-did-the-biblical-story-of-creation-survive-the-flood/answer/Hans-Georg-Lundahl
- Hans-Georg Lundahl
- Self Employed at Writer and Composer
- 6 years ago
- Noah had tradition from Adam.
I used to have the Haydock comment to Genesis 3 available, where he consideres that the “minimal overlap” number of generations from Adam to Moses were 8.
With a LXX chronology, it might be more like 12.
Adam can have spoken with Mahalaleel 795 - 1690 AM, but not with Jared born 960 AM. (1, 2)
Mahalaleel can have spoken to Noah 1642 - 2592 AM (2, 3)
Noah 600 B.F. - 350 A.F. can have spoken to Shelah 265 - 725 A.F. (3, 4)
Shelah can have spoken to Reu 659 - 998 A.F. (4, 5)
Reu can have spoken to Nahor 921 - 1129 A.F. (5, 6)
Nahor could of course speak to Abraham 1070 – 1245 A. F. (6, 7)
And so on.
Furthermore, the early chapters of Genesis, up to and including 11 were all very short. This means, each was possible to learn by heart, nearly as easy as learning Nicene Creed by heart.
- Comments
- are all from 6 years ago too.
- I
- Hans-Georg Lundahl
- I thought I had mentioned this more than once:
“First Genesis chapters were written down or memorised (for chapters 1 - 7 each is as long as 2.5*Nicene Creed, which is a text even non-specialists know how to memorise if instructed), then they were collected by Moses into a single book.”
With Alan Whistler / Alan the Atheist on AronRa's Video (but at least once, here)
- II
- Lee Wm. Gaudry
- If you have ever played the parlour game"telephone" you'll know how unlikely it is that the entire legend remained true to the original through 5 generations never mind 8,12 or more. And just because someone could have spoken to another, it doesn't mean they did.
- Hans-Georg Lundahl
- Upvoted for visibility.
If you have heard anything about how catechism is done or how things like, in RC Church, Apostolic Creed, Our Father, Hail Mary, Glory Be and Ten Commandments are memorised, or in Orthodox Church even Nicene Creed, which is longer than the Apostolic one, you would have known better than to compare it to a telephone game.
It is first of all not very likely any one learning these set pieces of short prose in simple syntax could memorise wrong, after a deliberate effort of memorisation, second not likely if someone remembered wrong he would stand uncorrected by others and third very unlikely someone NOT having learned things properly were the one chosen to carry the tradition on by teaching others these things.
I have compared the pre-Flood and up-to-Flood seven first chapters of Genesis to the Nicene Creed in text mass. Each of them is, in medium, 2.5 times the Nicene Creed.
So, memorisation effort is very unlikely to have failed due to overload even.
I have now not spoken of how many actual generations there were, but the minimal number of overlapping ones.
This means that before Adam had a chance to speak to Mahalaleel, he would have had a chance to speak to Seth, Enos, Cainan and their siblings and their wives. Supposing Mahalaleel somehow had memorised the texts of Genesis 2 and 3 wrong on hearing them from Adam, very unlikely, he could have been corrected by Seth for another 212 years, by Enos for another 410 years, by Cainan for another 605 years.
Before Mahalaleel had a chance to speak to Noah, he would have had a chance to speak to Jared, Henoch, Mathuselah and Lamech. He died when Noah was 48 years, but after that Noah could have been corrected by Jared for another 232 years, by Methuselah for another 566 years, by Lamech for another 517 years.
This is what I mean by “minimal overlap”. Someone having heard the person he’s corrected about before hearing the corrections.
When we get down to Abraham and later, there is no real problem with supposing they used writing. A whole tribe was certainly capable of transporting a few clay tablets or scrolls as well as utensils. And this takes care of anything after Genesis 11.
As for genealogies in Genesis 4, 5 and 11, these were obviously texts handled by incremental tradition : each generation added to the physical genealogy was also added to the textual one.
How you can compare such a situation to a telephone game is beyond me.
“And just because someone could have spoken to another, it doesn't mean they did.”
What exact grandfather or greatgrandfather will let anyone stop him even these days? It is not as if Adam suffered from CPS taking away his children from him so he could not pass tradition on!
- Bonus question
- Are all of the world's languages, including extinct ones, ultimately related to each other, or was "language" invented on multiple occasions in different parts of the world?
https://www.quora.com/Are-all-of-the-worlds-languages-including-extinct-ones-ultimately-related-to-each-other-or-was-language-invented-on-multiple-occasions-in-different-parts-of-the-world/answer/Hans-Georg-Lundahl
- Hans-Georg Lundahl
- I speak two langs, Latin and Germanic. In a few dialects.
- 6 years ago
- Neither.
God gave Adam Hebrew.
At Babel, God caused many new starts - in people who previously had been speaking Hebrew.
There is another canard going around, and I have answered it elsewhere, namely here:
Creation vs. Evolution: "Young Earth Creationism is Pagan Myth Because ... " - in fact because you forget Sarug, that you think so!
https://creavsevolu.blogspot.com/2021/10/young-earth-creationism-is-pagan-myth.html
See also:
Creation vs. Evolution: Three Questions on Quora
https://creavsevolu.blogspot.com/2024/09/three-questions-on-quora.html
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