Showing posts with label de immigratione. Show all posts
Showing posts with label de immigratione. Show all posts

Tuesday, 19 May 2026

Henry Nowak murder / meurtre


Poignardée, la victime meurt menottée par la police
Charlotte d'Ornellas | 19 mai 2026
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5rjXOaF2Jk


"En l'occurrence, sortir une lame de 20 cm et s'acharner ainsi sur un jeune homme dans la rue sans bagarre préalable, sans autres personnes qui sont présentes. Je vois pas très bien ce que le propos le plus odieux du monde pourrait justifier dans cette situation."


Vous profitez de l'enseignement du Pape Alexandre VII qui a condamné certains propos sur la légitime défense quand elle devient occissive.

Par exemple, si on a dans l'enseignement déjà connu le droit de sortir une lame (coutumièrement d'un demi-mètre ou un peu plus) pour se défendre contre une attaque avec une autre lame, ce n'est, selon les condamnations plus le cas pour insulte verbale ou pour vol d'une petite somme d'argent. Si quelqu'un vous pique la poche pour un billet de cinq, pas prendre le pistolet, hein ?

Un Sikh a, semble-t-il, pas reconnu l'autorité de ce pape.


Student stabbed with 21cm knife, murder trial told
BBC News | 14th of May
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cy8257elr81o


RIP./HGL

Some good journalists give sources on the cynicism of police about the already dying Nowak. In the 999 call played in court, Digwa's brother said: "We just been attacked by someone racially./HGL

Wednesday, 15 April 2026

No Recent Shooting in Gothenburg Last Few Days?


Because, if so, today is day 200 since Gothenburg had the first day without a shooting or last day with one, on Lord's Day 28 Sept 2025.

A few days ago, Nordfront published this* news:

Sedan den 28 september 2025 har inga skott avlossats i Storgöteborg, vilket innebär att man snart närmar sig 200 dagar utan skjutningar, det rapporterar Göteborgs-Posten.


Since 28 Sept 2025, no shots have been fired in Greater Gothenburg, which means one approaches 200 days without shooting, this is reported by Göteborgs-Posten.

They linked to the article on that paper, Noll skjutningar i Göteborg – på över ett halvår (zero shootings in Gothenburg — in more than half a year). I couldn't access it, and therefore I rely on the National Socialist reporters that the day was 28 Sept last year and that this is now the longest time without shootings since 2012.

Now, it seems as if the cost for this peace (or truce) was changing laws and applying more secret measures of forced compliance.

In other words, solve one problem for our citizens and produce a new one./HGL

* 200 dagar utan skjutning i Göteborg
Red. Nordfront | 2026-04-13 21:00
https://nordfront.se/200-dagar-utan-skjutning-i-goteborg

Saturday, 24 January 2026

Trump, I think this has gone far enough or too far ...


Minneapolis was recalling a tranny who shot two children, and them himself.

It's now thinking of ICE who have shot two adults.

Tranny : ICE = 3:2.

You recall how Fidel Castro came to power?

To quell the growing discontent amongst the populace—which was subsequently displayed through frequent student riots and demonstrations—Batista established tighter censorship of the media, while also utilizing his Bureau for the Repression of Communist Activities secret police to carry out wide-scale violence, torture and public executions. These murders mounted in 1957, as socialist ideas became more influential. While exact numbers are unclear, estimates of the death toll attributed to Batista range from hundreds to up to 20,000 victims.

Batista's efforts to quell the unrest proved not only ineffective, but his tactics were the catalyst to even wider resistance against his regime.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fulgencio_Batista


An Evolution believing Atheist has described the scene in these words:

Six of 1:01 them had the guy pinned to the ground. 1:03 One of them was punching him in the head 1:05 in the face repeatedly and then they 1:07 shot him and he's dead.


Now, some say he was armed. After getting punched, was he able to pull out his arm? If so, why didn't the guys priorise disarming him instead of punching him?

The next words of the guy are:

The only word 1:09 for that is murder.


Wish he were as lucid about abortion. Mr. President. During the campaign, I ignored the even existence of Peter Sonski. That's one reason why I supported you over Harris. Oh, not in urns, I have no right to participate in US elections, but on my blogs. I said sth about deportations on the scale you promised probably not being feasible. And especially not with due process, and therefore without disrupting the peace.

The problem is, to quite a lot of people who still ignore the existence of Peter Sonski, this is not a publicity for Peter Sonski, but for lack of better people they know of, for Kamala. Was your goal to make trannies and Kamala look good?

Hans Georg Lundahl
Paris
Conersion of St. Paul
24—25.I.2026

Conversio sancti Pauli Apostoli, quae fuit anno secundo ab Ascensione Domini.

Confirming the lack of actual self defense:

@reasonandtheology
New Video Raises Questions in Border Patrol Shooting
New Footage Shows Unarmed American Shot by ...
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/AbPJMnL74UQ


Here is a Veteran giving more detail:

Don't Believe the Government, This Was Murder
Combat Veteran News | 25 Jan. 2026
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qjN73-gn90Q

Sunday, 3 August 2025

Mehdi Hasan is More Likely to Miss What Some are Actually Saying


Mehdi Hasan is More Likely to Miss What Some are Actually Saying · Do Muslims Get Their Info on Franco from Harun Yahya?

For Connor Estelle, he missed he was a Francoist, not a Nazi.*

For this young lady, he missed she considers her parents "United States citizens" but not necessarily Americans.

@zeteo
« Vous n’acceptez pas que les immigrants soient américains ?** »
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/cvSVT-hl718


He may be right and the young lady wrong about the economy. But his way of interrupting, which provoked Connor too, as we know, doesn't contribute to a more correct understanding between people./HGL

* If he thinks they are the same thing, that kind of proves my point. ** Title automatically translated.

Thursday, 17 July 2025

New Atrocity


Israel Destroys Church of the Holy Family in Gaza
Reason & Theology | 17.VII.2025
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GDFkFXVnZ1k


IDF seems to destroy the Church of the Holy Family. Their supporter in Washington is refusing to acknowledge that the Holy Family were undocumented migrants.

If only because passports and paper work before receiving them wasn't a thing 2000 years ago.

But in that year, before 6 AD, going from Bethlehem to maybe Alexandria, maybe Gaza, was crossing a frontier. Egypt was a Roman Province. Judah was still a few years going on to be a semi-independent kingdom, a protectorate with nominal sovereignty. More than a month earlier, they had crossed another frontier between the Roman province Galilee and the kingdom of Judah. Also without showing a passport.

A Pass-Card Treaty of October 18, 1850 among German states standardized information including issuing state, name, status, residence, and description of bearer. Tramping journeymen and jobseekers of all kinds were not to receive pass-cards.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passport#Antecedents


That has also resulted in "oops, we didn't mean that" moments.

Portland mom, 4 kids who are US citizens detained by ICE for nearly 2 weeks
KGW News | 12 July 2025
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bL5H7xwG_ZM

Saturday, 12 July 2025

ICE: Murder, Arson, and Especially Jaywalking


Remember the 19 year old Latinas from Mexico who saved 20 lives?

Here is another 19 year old Latina, immigrated at age 4, fell foul of ICE.

Murder? No. Arson? No. Jaywalking? Nearly, except she was in a car:

19-Year-Old Shares Harrowing ICE Detention Experience Over A Traffic Violation
TYT Investigates | 12 June 2025
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3af1nQD37bw

Saturday, 21 June 2025

All Borders Aren't Equal and Other Considerations


Assorted retorts from yahoo boards and elsewhere: Answering Ekpunobi (Red Head vs Founding Fathers) · New blog on the kid: All Borders Aren't Equal and Other Considerations

Getting from Somalia to Ireland takes some doing.

Incidentally, part of the story are fossil fuels.

From Pamplona to Santiago de Compostela, we deal with 750 km on the pilgrim's mainly walking trail. The bus trip is shorter, just 563 km. (466 miles resp 350 miles). Now, the time for the bus trip is 7 h 40 min. The pilgrimage took me 50 days, once I had restarted* it from Pamplona.

Getting from Mexico to the US is less daunting. It's more like walking from Germany to France or from France to Germany.

Linguistically, getting to the South states of the US is like crossing the German-French border to whichever side currently** has Alsatia and Lotharingia, which are bilingual, like LA is, where less than half speak only English and where 36 % speak Spanish.

Culturally, the community of Hispanics in LA is more likely to make a shout-out than the community of Somalians in Ireland.

I am not totally surprised that Ireland and Northern Ireland have riots against immigration, and LA riots against the ICE. It would be more surprising if it were the other way round.

Back to fossil fuels.

So many right wing people who just can't stand Greta Thunberg (which in Australia involves the own country being a petroleum industry, which France isn't) will complain about too much migration. But petroleum is the difference between moving through the landscape at 73 km per hour (46 miles per hour) and moving through it at 15 km a day, or maybe 20 (my good days were twenty, but I had bad days and other delays).

Similarily, petrol twice over helps to reduce the number for farmers and bakers, compared to the population, since it involves tractors allowing fewer people to attend to more acres, and since it involves trucks loading wheat from elsewhere to whereever you live, rather than from a field perhaps 50 miles away, or bread from Marseille to all of Bouches de Rhône and generally from 50 + bakeries to all of France, for another industrial bread producer even just 6 bakeries, to all of France, rather than you having your bread actually baked from kneading to out of the oven in the bakery down the street corner.

At least over here, some quite a few on the right are concerned with keeping as many farmers and bakers in business as possible.

Similarily, fossil fuels and electricity help to keep the work force low and therefore the age of entry into work life high. Lots of frustrations boiling over in school shootings, horrible as they are, could have been avoided, not by denying the frustrated person a gun (some of whom commit suicide instead), but by offering them an end to education and a beginning of work life. Less likely to happen as long as machines keep replacing men.

I'm not convinced of the climate change that Greta Thunberg became famous about a few years ago, but some of the concrete measures I would agree with go the same way as hers.

Hans Georg Lundahl
Paris
St. Aloysius Gonzaga
21.VI.2025

Romae sancti Aloisii Gonzagae, Clerici e Societate Jesu et Confessoris, principatus contemptu et innocentia vitae clarissimi, quem, a Summo Pontifice Benedicto Decimo tertio adscriptum Sanctorum fastis et Protectorem juvenibus praesertim studiosis datum, Pius Papa Undecimus caelestem Christianae juventutis universae Patronum confirmavit solemniter atque iterum declaravit.

* I started it on hitchhiking from Denmark, then took a part on foot from St. Jean de Luz to Irún, where the hospitalera adviced me to break off the camino del norte, take the bus and restart on camino francés.
** Currently it is France. After 1648, last time Holy Roman Empire held them, France and Germany have taken turns. In the Middle Ages, it was sometimes Burgundy or Franche-Comté. But they were kind of attached to Holy Roman Empire.

Saturday, 14 June 2025

Answer on ICE (Triple No)


Here are the nos with explanations:

Do you believe America needs to secure its southern border?

No, I do not think it can be done.

Do you believe America needs mass deportation of illegal aliens, starting with the most dangerous criminals?

No, I believe the US needs some selective deportations, but when you say "mass" and in the end also of aliens who are simply illegally residing, that contradicts selective.

Even this push to deport "the most dangerous criminals" seems to have run amuck.

Do you support America’s ICE agents who are courageously enforcing this important policy agenda?

No. They are sometimes overdoing a policy in itself already overdone.

One way of restoring residence more generally within the country you are born in is to reduce travel, which is coinciding with, if not necessarily motivated by, the climate agenda.

The way now chosen seems to push LA into a civil war, which might not have been Trump's intention and should probably not have been it either.

Poland has lots of woods on the East border. That narrows down approach roads. That means that people who come can be made to face Polish military. Just in case you haven't noticed, the US does not have a S. border consisting of thick pine trees interlocking with each other. Greece has a sea border to Turkey, most of the way, and on sea boats are widely visible, and also cannot be acquired well in advance of arriving to the crossing. Other difference.

And finally, while Latinos and Indios may sometimes be ruffians, they are not motivated by an un-Christian religion to despise people inside the country with lifestyles not their own.

Hans Georg Lundahl
Paris
Ember Saturday after Pentecost
14.VI.2025

Monday, 2 June 2025

Two Riots in Paris


Philippot on FB:

Pour les 20 ans du NON à l’UE par référendum, jour pour jour,
pour l’avenir et le FREXIT,
Les Patriotes de rassemblent ce jour, ce 29 mai, partout en France !


29 May, Ascension Day, there was a French riot in Paris:

'French Govt. Is on Its Knees!’ — Thousands Rage in Paris, Patriots Tear EU Flag, Demand Frexit Now!
Times Now World | 30 May 2025
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X7boSj68j7U


A two days later, 31st May to 1st June, in the night, on occasion of Paris-Saint-Germain winning over Milan, there is also a riot, mostly an Immigrant riot:

Paris Has Fallen
Paul Joseph Watson | 1 June 2025
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kt--scaMsos


Coincidence? I don't think so. I'm worried that the second one is in some ways a "false flag" for the Governement. Not false flag in not being the Muslim immigrants, but false flag in pretending to be simply popular rage, undisciplined people who aren't obeying the government. Such a thing is pretty much what a government would welcome in order to pursue harsh measures against the Philippot type of rioters ... who aren't too well liked by Muslim Immigrants, since people in favour of FREXIT are known to be critical against immigration, and a FREXIT would probably give sufficient leverage to sharpen immigration rules and soften expulsion rules.

Obviously, Philippot is now not able to make a riot in favour of FREXIT, because the night to the first of June is the ideal excuse to force Philippot supporters to be quiet and disciplined./HGL

PS, obviously, it could be a plot entirely within the Muslim community, and not at all have any involvement from the French government, but they would not search it out:

Christian Genocide Happening Right Now in Nigeria?
CBN News | 29 May 2025
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mcAi49JRGIw


PPS, under the video of Watson, there was a remark "the Germans left Paris in better conditions" ... true./HGL

Friday, 31 January 2025

Violent Criminals? Or Criminals by Illegal Immigration? Quotas? (Sharing)


ICE Detains Native Americans As Trump Deportations Go OFF THE RAILS
Rebel HQ | 30 Jan. 2025
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4QuYrdP-aD8


I think Peter Sonski wouldn't have tried this thing, not this way.

Still happy it wasn't Kamala, but it's a hard chore to have the idea that voting third party is a vote thrown away ....

It's a sad day for Conservative Christians, when they have to say that The Young Turks are right about a prominent politician who's supposed to be representative of us ...

I am much happier that the US has ceased exporting condoms and pills. Whether Gaza was or wasn't ever a target, glad it's over (for this time, at least)./HGL

Friday, 24 January 2025

"You Can Not Be Racist Against White People, Because White People Are the Dominant Race In This Country"


Assorted retorts from yahoo boards and elsewhere: Trump Signed, God Bless Him · New blog on the kid: "You Can Not Be Racist Against White People, Because White People Are the Dominant Race In This Country" · I heard from Robert Ritchie, America Needs Fatima

Are they the dominant ethnicity (or race if you really insist) in every nook, cranny and corner of that country over the pond?

Are white people the dominant ethnicity in the Bronx? Are they the dominant ethnicity among the pupils of every school in the Bronx? In every class in every school in the Bronx? In every group of friends and pals in every class in every school in the Bronx?

I would say, if a group of black pupils, even if fewer than 50 % of the class, take advantage of a lonely moment to pick on a lonely white pupil, that could easily be an act of racism. Perhaps retaliatory racism. Perhaps a racism that makes a lot sense to them, perhaps one or two or three of them had great-grandparents victims of Walter Ashby Plecker. But the white pupil they are picking on is not Walter Ashby Plecker. Even if he descended in straight patrilinear genealogy from him, or for that matter from Lenin, Hitler, Stalin or Pol Pot or Mao Tse Tung, picking on him for the sake of what Walter Plecker did is as racist as picking on a Chinese ethnic for the ill-deeds of Mao.

Now, it is true that opposition to illegal migrants is sometimes racist. It could also be classist. "The position of illegal migrant is a situation that takes a toll on someone's mental stability, having many of them ..." ... I'm not a huge fan of the idea of getting every illegal immigrant out of the US, but going for violent offenders makes sense. Going for peaceful people because theoretically they could become violent makes less sense.

The support or otherwise of Trump's policy with migrants should be based and I would say at each step, on its fairness or unfairness. Going for violent offenders makes sense. Letting some farmers hire illegally residing people as long as they are cheap and then calling for the ICE as soon as the workers would acquire rights of the syndical type or laying them off at that point and then calling the ICE, that makes a lot of less sense. I'm not saying those cases are 99 % of the illegal immigrants, but I'm not saying they aren't a good half of them either. We'll find out.

Borders have done some bad, but they have also done some good. When St. Joseph walked over the border to Judaea, which was at this point a protectorate, not yet a province, so it was a border, he probably did some successful tax evasion. When he walked over another border into Egypt, back into the direct Roman Empire, he evaded a massacre rather than just Roman tax collectors. That may explain why his Stepson, who is God, had some, shall we say, gentle touch when it came to tax collectors. The point is, once St. Joseph had taken the Holy Family across that border, Herod's soldiers couldn't follow. Btw, since he had previously resided perfectly legally in Galilee, which already was a Roman province, one cannot say he was an illegal immigrant. On the other hand, I highly doubt migrating legally took months of paperwork.

It is also obvious that there are situations where that paperwork cannot really be done from one's country of origin. St. Joseph didn't have time to send an application to Augustus' administration in Rome for a Green Card, on the Flight to Egypt. So, I'm thankful that wasn't a requirement.

Summing up: racism against white people exists, even in white countries, because the country as a whole is not the only unit where power dynamics play out. Border policies have seen hysteria from both sides of the question.

Hans Georg Lundahl
Paris
St. Timothy
24.I.2025

Apud Ephesum sancti Timothei, qui fuit discipulus beati Pauli Apostoli; atque, ab eodem Ephesi ordinatus Episcopus, ibi post multos pro Christo agones, cum Dianae immolantes argueret, lapidibus obrutus est, ac paulo post obdormivit in Domino.

Monday, 13 December 2021

En Défense des Cathos à Nanterre


À Nanterre, une procession mariale prise à partie et menacée
https://fr.aleteia.org/2021/12/11/a-nanterre-une-procession-mariale-prise-a-partie-et-menacee/


Est-ce que je pense que les Cathos à Nanterre sont parfaitement orthodoxes? Non.

Mais je pense qu'une procession mariale est un acte parfaitement orthodoxe. Face à une telle agression, j'ai quelque solidarité même avec des hérétiques ou schismatiques./HGL

PS : que pourrait-on faire? Je me suis démarqué de Henri de Lesquen, en précisant que l'idée de rémigration totale est peu apte à garder la paix quand on la profère dans ce qui est la paix. Rémigration partielle, plus large que juste les coupables, n'est pas à négliger. J'ai proféré l'idée d'une rémigration collective de Musulmans d'un endroit (mais Nanterre est un peu grand pour compter comme tel) en cas de crime de haine contre Chrétiens ou contre Français ou Occidentaux parce que tels. J'ai aussi proféré l'idée (je pense?) de faire des peines allégées en fonction de la rémigration des coupables et de leurs proches - chaque membre de la famille qui quitte la France "partage" le temps de prison, donc un coupable quitte seul la France après sa peine, elle reste telle quelle, il la quitte avec sa femme non coupable - elle est divisée par deux. Ils ont déjà un enfant qui part avec eux - divisée par trois ... ou les deux parents s'en vont avec, aussi divisée par trois ... mais avec l'interdit de revenir, et j'ajouterai, le temps restant sera appliqué en cas de retour.

Dans les deux cas, ceux qui partent devraient avoir le droit de confier leur propriété à des gens qui ont le droit de rester et en qui ils ont confiance./HGL

Thursday, 10 December 2020

Rémigration partielle, s v p


  • Pour les désireux de retourner, qu'on les aide, s'il y a de difficultés.
  • Pour des gens comme ceux qui ont écrit des lettres comme celle visant la paroisse de Cairanne, s'il y a de menace plus claire que juste "Allah Akbar" ou des désaccords théologiques, on n'a pas à avoir honte d'un plan d'expulsion ... normalement rémigration forcée, à exceptions en troisième pays, si le pays d'origine s'avère inacceptable car de haut risque.

Sunday, 24 March 2019

Inutile pour le gouvernement ou ses représentants de faire de la provocation inutile envers la population musulmane


Je pourrais comprendre un governement qui dit stop à l'immigration, je ne comprends pas un gouvernement qui dit en effet humiliation inutile et illégale envers les immigrés dejà en place.

Aujourd'hui, j'ai entendu une femme qui disait que les cours de langue arabe comme langue d'origine ne sont pas là à l'école que fréquentent ses fils.

J'imagine pourtant, qu'il y a davantage que cinq élèves qui seraient intéressés.

En Suède, une matière peut être inhibé si seul quatre la choisissent, et avoir un horaire réduit si c'est sept ou moins. J'ai pris "cinq" comme exemple, par rapport à ce qui se passe en Suède.

Je peux comprendre que telle directrice ne voudrait pas avoir d'élèves qui ne maîtrisent pas le français parce que trop insérés dans un contexte arabophone.

Mais, pédagogiquement parlé, la conclusion est erronée. J'ai beaucoup à reprocher l'école suédoise, mais presque pas sur le plan de pédagogie des langues (hormis le fait de négliger certains aspects litéraires, mon "système du passé simple" est presque auto-didacte en français). Or, ils savent pertinamment que, ce qui se passe en cas pareil, ce n'est pas d'apprendre mieux la langue majoritaire car moins la langue d'origine. Au contraire, on risque d'avoir au lieu de bilinguisme fonctionnel (tvåspråkighet) une mi-incompétence dans les deux langues (halfspråkighet) si la langue d'origine, celle parlé à maison, n'est pas enseignée.

Il y a certes des situations dans lesquelles "le fait d'apprendre deux langues à la fois" porte en soi un risque de le mélanger. Or, la phrase est ambigue, et le risque existe pour une des acceptations de cette phrase, pas pour d'autres.

  • En début d'apprentissage,
  • si les deux langues sont semblables entre soi et non avec la langue maternelle.


En apprentissage continuée, comme c'est par définition le cas pour la langue d'origine, comme c'est par définition aussi le cas pour la langue majoritaire, sauf pour des arrivants très récents, on aura déjà répéré les fines nuances entre deux langues semblables, genre "iglesia" et "igreja" étant español et portugais, pas l'inverse, et en plus, le français et l'arabe ne sont pas, croyez-moi, tellement semblables que le risque existerait même en début d'apprentissage.

Dans ce cas, pourquoi existe-t-il un mi-apprentissage pour ceux qui grandissent entre deux langues sans instruction? Parce que, l'immersion à elle seule ne garantit pas une suffisante compétence ni dans l'une ni dans l'autre. Surtout pas à celle apprise plus tard dans la vie. On a besoin d'apprendre la langue aussi comme un système. Et pour comprendre le système d'une autre langue, on a besoin de l'apprendre dans la sienne.

Et le risque de prendre l'occasion pour indoctrination salafiste? Moins grand dans une école, et moins grand si on prend des professeurs d'Arabe des Maronites ou Melkites, qu'il y a en région d'Île de France.

Hans Georg Lundahl
Nanterre
III. Dimanche du Carême
24.III.2019

Friday, 18 September 2015

Kids or Immigrants?

Mark Shea lauds "Pope Francis" for saying, as he put it in his snappy title: "refuse to have kids?" - "then make room for immigrants".

I was wondering if Bergoglio was going to say sth sensible, entirely. That would be the day!

What Shea makes of it is that childless people, in fact any people, should get involved in receiving refugees, like he has been receiving Roumanian refugees from Communism (good for him), (ok, good for him if they were from Communism, but I think that is the case, and not bad for him if they were just poor either), Vietnamese refugees (certainly from Communism, since still so), and Poles, these also pretty certainly fleeing from Communism.

Hmmm, if Mark Shea receives Christian refugees, I am not worried, but when it comes to Muslim ones (which hitherto hasn't been the case if his list was exhaustive) - I am less reassured.

Abbey Roads has however suggested Muslims who came as economic migrants should take refugees who are Muslims. Might be an idea.

As it is they are more into claiming the traditionally Christian State (a fact they tend to ignore) or Presently Socialist State (a fact which they from time to time support) should tax its citizens (including themselves, but most of them Christians or post-Christians) in order for the state to organise reception of Muslim and for that matter also perhaps Christian refugees.

Of course, the Muslims who are already here have their own kids to take care of.

But not each and all of them and not all are so poor taking an extra refugee is impossible.

However, a blogger from Philippines made an objection:

About two years ago, when I was discussing unemployment figures in the UK and France with some of my European trainees, I couldn't help but noticing that most of the unemployed youth were second-generation immigrants. Not just Muslims or just Asians, either, but (at least in the UK) also Poles. And I mused that those "better opportunities" their parents migrated to get for them proved to be an empty dream: now they are in the same boat their parents were in.


Mentioning boats is not unsensitive, and in France and Sweden Poles are better off, unless recently arriving, than in UK.

Now, let us look at what the supposed "Holy Father" actually did say.

Mark Shea linked.

“The migrant phenomenon is a reality…when there is an empty space, people look to fill it. If a country doesn't have children, migrants come to occupy that place,” the Pope said in a recent interview with Portugal-based Radio Renascença (Renaissance).


True enough.

One reason people should try to get more children.

But what does Bergoglio make of it?

“So, if there are no children, there are open spaces,” he said. For him personally, the societal refusal to have children is part of a “culture of ‘well-being,’” in which the assurance that one’s personal needs and wants will be taken care of is emphasized to an exaggerated degree.


He doesn't mention that the assurance is already proving deceptive. In 2003, the last summer I spent in Sweden, old age pensions were privatised. Not so that people already getting them need to get private assurances, but so that people not yet retired needed to start chosing private insurance companies. That way it won't be the government's but that company's fault when people can't get old age pensions, because collectively they made too few children.

He doesn't mention that taking in strangers instead might not be an ideal way to provide for the old age of one's own. They might enjoy the system as long as it profits them, but refuse to back it up when it goes so bankrupt that a country has changed the national make up of its population. I mean when the majority from more traditional times has become a minority, if it should so happen, and which childlessness and immigration make for.

So, what more does he say?

In the interview, Francis lamented how countries would allow the Rohingya to land, give them food and water, and then send them back out to sea. “They don’t welcome them,” he said, adding that today “humanity lacks the ability to welcome.”


That is not the same as oppressing them once they are in.

But despite our concerns, Francis said that refugees still have to be welcomed because it’s commanded in the Bible, and turned to Moses' commission to his people not to “mistreat or oppress a foreigner, for you were foreigners in Egypt.”


Let us recall exactly how Israelites were oppressed by Amalekites. Was it a question of giving them food and water and then sending them back off into the desert?

Some Israelites had disobeyed Moses. They left the camp. And here is what happened to those who had left it:

[44] But they being blinded went up to the top of the mountain. But the ark of the testament of the Lord and Moses departed not from the camp. [45] And the Amalecite came down, and the Chanaanite that dwelt in the mountain: and smiting and slaying them pursued them as far as Horma. Numbers 14.

Wait a little, the enmity was already on. Here is what happened earlier:

[1] Then all the multitude of the children of Israel setting forward from the desert of Sin, by their mansions, according to the word of the Lord, encamped in Raphidim, where there was no water for the people to drink. ... [8] And Amalec came, and fought against Israel in Raphidim. Exodus 17.

OK, the Amalecites had started bad relations, not by giving a short welcome and sending them to further adventures in the desert, not by even refusing them welcome, but by actually trying to kill them at first sight.

This is a far cry from what Indonesia has done for the Rohingya.

However, if Rohingya are not Muslim, Indonesia's cutting short of the welcome by sending them back to sea is explicable as a way of keeping Muslims Muslim in Indonesia.

What exactly do the passages in OT say about receiving strangers?

Exodus 22:21 Thou shalt not molest a stranger, nor afflict him: for yourselves also were strangers in the land of Egypt.

Exodus 23:9 Thou shalt not molest a stranger, for you know the hearts of strangers: for you also were strangers in the land of Egypt.

One has a special application for Holy Land, since Jordan is Edom, Moab and Ammon:

Deuteronomy 23:[7] Thou shalt not abhor the Edomite, because he is thy brother: nor the Egyptian, because thou wast a stranger in his land.

Now back to strangers in general:

Deuteronomy 24:[17] Thou shalt not pervert the judgment of the stranger nor of the fatherless, neither shalt thou take away the widow' s raiment for a pledge. [18] Remember that thou wast a slave in Egypt, and the Lord thy God delivered thee from thence. Therefore I command thee to do this thing. [19] When thou hast reaped the corn in thy field, and hast forgot and left a sheaf, thou shalt not return to take it away: but thou shalt suffer the stranger, and the fatherless and the widow to take it away: that the Lord thy God may bless thee in all the works of thy hands. [20] If thou have gathered the fruit of thy olive trees, thou shalt not return to gather whatsoever remaineth on the trees: but shalt leave it for the stranger, for the fatherless, and the widow.

[21] If thou make the vintage of thy vineyard, thou shalt not gather the clusters that remain, but they shall be for the stranger, the fatherless, and the widow. [22] Remember that thou also wast a bondman in Egypt, and therefore I command thee to do this thing.

There is a positive demand to aid them, or let them aid themselves, while they are there. There is a negative demand not to molest them or pervert judgement in their disfavour. There is not a positive demand to actually allow them to stay, especially not unconditionally.

If France wants to evict me (I am begging in the street, some consider that a nuisance, and some consider my blogging a nuisance) and sees such ans such criteria for eviction fulfilled, or if France goes back on Schengen, which is the agreement allowing me to stay here, France can. At least they should not send me back to Sweden.

But what the West has been doing for long is:

  • receiving Muslims;
  • molesting them in the name of integration (at least where they are obliged to communal schools not Islamic);
  • resenting when they take revenge for molestations (by molesting quite a few indigenous and non-Muslim strangers);
  • resenting simple fact of non-integration and molesting them more;
  • and having more and more of them in trouble's way.


It would have been better not to receive them in the first place. That does not necessarily qualify as either molesting or perverting judgement for them. "Pope Francis" is not exactly asking for the right thing.

Wait? I reread these lines and found that Rohingya are actually a Muslim minority, which has not been welcomed by Muslim countries.

As to his experience of his own family, well the Italians who came were Catholics and the Argentinians who received were Catholics too.

Look at this advice:

Pope Francis clarified that when he asked for a family to be welcomed, he’s not necessarily asking that they be welcomed into the parish or community house, but that the parish or community finds “a place, a corner of a school to make a ‘small apartment.”

“Or, in the worst case, rent a modest apartment for the family, but that they have a ceiling, to be welcomed, and that they are integrated into the community.”


Good advice enough - if the refugees are Catholic. Or at least Christian.

And if their attackers cannot be beaten.

Hans Georg Lundahl
Médiathèque Germaine Tillion
St Joseph de Cupertino
18-IX-2015