Complicity in Drones

Al Jazeera interviews crew on Madleen
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/liveblog/2025/6/4/madleen-gaza-flotilla-live-greta-thunberg-activists-to-arrive-on-june-7

The update is from 18:19 GMT, today on 5.VI.2025 marked as "1 h ago" .../HGL

https://aje.io/p6b8m7?update=3755371

Someone Attacked Miss Thunberg (Though Comparing Her to Pippi Longstocking is a Compliment)

Let's Hear the Other Side Too · Vivat Compatriota! · Someone Attacked Miss Thunberg (Though Comparing Her to Pippi Longstocking is a Compliment) · Intercepted and Kidnapped in International Waters · Freed, on Some Conditions

Some people are calling Miss Greta Thunberg "Narcissist" ... she's on board a boat named after Madleen Kolab. Given what I know about Swedes, she probably admires Madleen Kolab more than herself:

Madleen Kolab, Gaza’s only fisherwoman
9th February 2014 | International Solidarity Movement, Charlie Andreasson | Gaza, Occupied Palestine
https://palsolidarity.org/2014/02/madleen-kolab-gazas-only-fisherwoman/

Charlie Andreasson, like Miss Thunberg, is from Gothenburg.

Edit: My bad, she's from Stockholm.

Ben Shapiro Reacts To Greta Thunberg Gaza Flotilla!
J-TV: The Global Jewish Channel | 5 June 2025
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cX-V1lk9sbE

0:38 OK, so you basically are admitting that Israel is making a siege to starve and dehydrate Gazawis, except those who come to some few points where Israelis are first asking them to state they aren't Hamasniks ....?

Candid.

Phil Yeary

@philyeary8809

Get a job....oh, not after your riots😂😂

Jacova Wernett

@jacovawernett3077

Do you want to debate the Quran. My Hebrew name Jacova is the female form of Jacob. God is my Father and rabbi. Israel is the Jewish homeland. Shalom. Du bist nicht ein Albert Einstein.
Beshem Adonai Beshem Israel. Sincerly, Amira Malaka Elah.

Hans-Georg Lundahl

@hglundahl

@philyeary8809 I'm not participating in riots, and I have a job, largely unpaid, as a writer.

Hans-Georg Lundahl

@jacovawernett3077 "Do you want to debate the Quran"

I find Muslims are sometimes very orrery and clannish when I do so.

I avoid that book since I had to read parts of Surah 5 in school.

"Israel is the Jewish homeland."

And the Samaritan? You are aware that ethnically, Palestinians are around Samaritans and Mitsrahi Jews as per genetic tests?

"Du bist nicht ein Albert Einstein."

Gott sei Dank. I vastly prefer his cousin Alfred and also one Heinrich Schenker.

1:37 Yes, thank you so much for admitting the possible Israeli guilt in sinking Conscience.

3:37 If you see Palestinians overturning Hamas, which would be a good thing, in and of itself, will you change policies against Palestinians, or will you continue humiliating and uncomfortable, to weakened people and to suspects (even innocent suspects) dangerous check-points?

5:33 Terrorist keffieh?

You are stamping clothing items as terrorism signals?

"For the wearing of the green, for the wearing of the green, they're hanging men and women here, for wearing of the green"

(Back when English government used to have that attitude about Irishness)

7:15 Are you trying to flirt with her?

Seriously, though, the West has some time suffered from an Omni-Cause of its own, part of which is conflating the West with Capitalism.

Just because Communism shut down small shops because they were privately owned (except in Yugoslavia) doesn't mean it would have been a Communist thing to forbid teflon production as it has been going on. (Release of PFOA / C8, for instance).

It would also not have been a Communist thing to forbid pornography.

For reference on PFOA, see Veritasium:

How One Company Secretly Poisoned The Planet
Veritasium | 14 May 2025
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SC2eSujzrUY

7:46 "that successful people are exploiters"

I would say LOTS of successful people are not exactly exploiters, and in case of industrialists, I'd like to add "sometimes" and "any more" ... The successful people in Ireland in 1847 to 1853 or 1856 were exploiters, people who forbade the men who had grown their wheat from eating anything other than the potato crop, because the potato crop was their share according to contract.

However, I would also say there is another prejudice, quite as obnoxious.

"people who are poor, who have made poor decisions"

Some of them actually are victims of different circumstances.

Like some people laying a kind of siege around who can read my writings, so I haven't got a publisher.

Reminds me a bit of a Gazawi current situation. You know, the kind of people who obviously won't allow Greta Thunberg to bring in humanitarian aid independently of them ....

8:31 What was the exact definition of genocide again?

Successful total annihilation of the other ethnicity?

If that's the case, you have exonerated lots of people.

Or that everyone who participates thinks of the goal as killing off all those in that particular people?

You may just, in that case have exonerated Pierre Laval, though personally I wouldn't. He may have simply thought, as per his public words before the Rafle de Vel d'Hiv, that he was sending the Jews to a very paedagogic boot camp. I noticed that phrase being quoted in a newspaper article about the then upcoming film Rafle. Personally, I'm very much less Pétainiste than that. I draw the line of Pétain's good years, at the latest, when Darlan was replaced by Laval (not sure whether even that far, due to a certain Alexis Carrell in a context described by some as eugenics).

(Humiliations of Jews in Paris prior to that may have been a local deviation, like banning from bars and parks, you know, initiative of the Police Prefect, whil Pétain and Darlan were away in Vichy).

9:28 Yeah, right, bringing humanitarian aid to Gaza is an evil cause ....

Oh, while I don't take it as my habit so far to chant "free Palestine" I don't think every version of that phrase need involve massacre of Jews.

20 years of unfree Gazawis seem to have involved a massacre on October 7.

I briefly enjoyed feeling like a Zionist again after hearing 6 Hamas leaders had been brought down. A few hours later, I found out 3000 civilians were dead.

500 civilians per Hamasnik? Sounds disproportionate. If not on part of every IDF man, on part of those leading the campaign politically.

I happen to be sufficiently Western to support patriotism. I respect even Zionist patriotism, as long as it doesn't get too obnoxious about "Palestinians making poor choices" or things. I think one of your defense ministers went to far ...

So, as I am Swede, and though I hate much about my country as it is now, attacking a fellow Swede like Miss Thunberg isn't gaining you points.

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Speaking of Sweden, Thunberg ...

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Possibly more famous by now, certainly more Swedish than Zlatan. No offense, Ibrahimovic, I'm sure you make excellent cevapcici. Or keep track of someone who does.

Jeremy Clarkson has come out basically saying Greta is currently an idiot, though not an incurable one.

I have stated she's not an idiot, whether she's right or wrong. The big four list of countries which Jeremy Clarkson thinks she should target is basically 57.43 % of global emissions. A basically much more at least potentially Thunberg friendly list is 32.15 %, less, but not less than half. So, the kind of impact she's working for is not a completely useless one ... supposing she is right.

That's the next question. Is she right? Is she wrong, even catastrophically wrong? Or somewhere in between.

I would argue, she is wrong about the reasons, but not catastrophically, since her measures would do good on other accounts. I was going to see if using horses instead of petrol driven tractors would reduce CO₂ emissions. If so, I thought, this would benefit small farms, which are a good thing in and of itself. Farmers are happier, less indebted, less likely to be lonely and commit suicide, less burdened, since constituting themselves a larger part of the consumers and giving off less to the non-producing consumers (non-producing as in agricultural produce).

Local networks of farmers and consumers certainly encourage small farms as well as reducing carbon emissions, because transports take up part of the carbon thing.

But back to the ploughing. What I found was neither what I had expected, nor the opposite (tractors using less carbon). It was a different angle.

Farming Online: 20 per cent of world’s CO₂ from ploughing – soil scientist
15 Jan 2014 | [someone interviewed] Dr John Baker
https://farming.co.uk/news/20-per-cent-of-world%E2%80%99s-co2-from-ploughing-%E2%80%93-soil-scientist

“When a farmer ploughs and cultivates a paddock it releases CO2 into the atmosphere. The vast majority (95 percent) is released from soil with the other five percent coming from tractor exhausts,” Dr Baker says

... “When you look at it from a global level, you realise that 15-20 per cent of the CO2 in the world’s atmosphere comes from ploughing.”

His solution is not giving up farming so no one can eat, but:

... good no-tillage causes minimal disturbance to the soil, traps the humidity, preserves micro-organisms and soil life, largely prevents carbon from escaping into the atmosphere and significantly improves crop yields. But poor no-tillage and minimum tillage achieve few of these things.

Now, the other thing is, why is China using all the carbon emissions? To a large part, it's because they produce things cheaply for export. Protectionism against Chinese imports could be a thing. And perhaps this shouldn't be just for China, but a more general protection for small indigenous producers in our Western countries. We are all consumers. The cheaper goods are, the more we can consume. But we are all only consuming in our relation to producers:

• being ourselves producers or their family members,
• being transport companies for transport between producers and consumers,
• being salaried with producers or transporters,
• or in each case again family members of such
• or being in precarious situations economically, as well as family members of such, and therefore often more or less depending on state or municipal welfare or on alms.

The more independent producers are needed for the consumption, the fewer are salaried and the fewer are precarious. The more local producers are, the less are involved in transport, hence reduction of CO₂, but also the more producers the locality will have, reducing the number of precarious people. And the risk of getting into that situation.

The problem is partly, how likely would the Thunberg friendly West be to win in something like a trade war situation?

But even if Miss Thunberg were wrong, that doesn't make Jeremy Clarkson right. He speaks of her going back to school, and if Thunberg is wrong, it's precisely from Swedish school teachers she has it.

Hans Georg Lundahl
Paris
St. Lupus of Lyons
25.IX.2024

Lugduni, in Gallia, depositio sancti Lupi, qui ex Anachoreta factus est Episcopus.

PS, here is some on ploughing with a horse, and it seems the French binage is less to the dislike of Dr John Baker than labourage would be (especially as viticulture is anyway not a majority of the hectares), here:

The Burgundy Briefing : Ploughing
Sarah Marsh Ltd, London. | 2019
https://theburgundybriefing.com/briefings/ploughing/