Il m'arrive de juger hâtivement

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Peut-être ce qui m'est arrivé avec la thèse de Jean Colson, cité par David Vincent, à propos le disciple Jean que Papias avait entendu.

Peut-être pas. J'ai envoyé des dubia à Pape Michel. En forme due, c'est à dire en latin, en questions sur lesquels on peut répondre "affirmative", "negative", "affirmative / negative ad utramque partem", "affirmative ad priorem partem, negative ad posteriorem", "negative ad priorem partem, affirmative ad posteriorem".

En guise de proème, j'ai présenté les prêtres impliqués, Colson ordiné 1938, le supérieur provincial Guitton, et, ordiné même année de 1938, le vicaire épiscopal Émile Berrar.

Donc, il sait que les théologiens sont des vrais prêtres. Qui l'avaient été pendant 30 ans avant les nihil obstat et imprimatur sur son livre.

De toute manière.

Supposons que ce soit licite de dire que l'auteur de l'Apocalypse ne soit pas le fils de Zébédée, mais "Jean le presbytre", "qui à porté la lame d'or" (comme un Cohen), et que Papias a entendu en sa jeunesse sous Trajan. Et qu'il était le disciple que Jésus aimait.

Il ne s'ensuit pas du tout que l'Apocalypse soit d'avant la chute du Temple, ni que les prophéties dedans soient accomplies en l'an 70. Constatons, il aurait dans ce cas survécu jusqu'aux temps de Trajan, et donc eu le temps d'être exilé sur Patmos par Domitien et revoqué de cette captivité par Nerva.

Il aurait eu une raison supplémentaire de se poser la question qui sont, après la chute du Temple les "vrais Juifs" (réponse : Catholicisme, pas Judaisme). En plus, il aurait été très bien placé pour savoir si, et donc en toute probailité que les Cohanim de l'Ancienne Alliance avaient élargi le canon d'Esra, chose loupé par les Pharisiens, dont le canon est reçu précisément de cet Esra, qui les a fondé, comme c'est Pierre-Julien Eymard et - surtout comparable à Esra - Mgr Sibour qui fondent la Congrégation du Très Saint Sacrament.

Donc, pourvu que la thèse de Colson soit acceptable, ça ne change pas grande chose, juste question de savoir lequel des Jean on devrait célébrer le 27 Décembre, ou même les deux, grosso modo, la tradition catholique comme communément reçue est, sauf pour un détail de fait, pas de doctrine, confirmée.

Entretemps, j'attends la réponse du Pape Michel, et s'il publie les dubia avec ses réponses sur son propre site, je donnerais un lien vers là, s'il me confiera la publication pour mes blogs avec sa réponse non adultéré, je le ferais aussi.

Hans Georg Lundahl
BU de Nanterre
Conversion de St. Paul*
25.I.2018

* 25 Januarii Conversio sancti Pauli Apostoli, quae fuit anno secundo ab Ascensione Domini.

A Thirtieth Anniversary for His Holiness Pope Michael

This mail came today, Nativity of Our Lady, 2017, at 4:44 PM:

Thirty years ago on the Birthday of the Blessed Virgin Mary in 1987 I received a letter, which changed my life. “If anyone assert that it is not the institution of Our Lord Jesus Christ, or of Divine right, that St. Peter has PERPETUAL successors in the office of Supreme Pastor over the Universal Church; let him be anathema.” When I read this from the only Vatican Council, I immediately realized three things: A papal election was possible. The ecclesiastical law limiting a papal election to Cardinals must step aside in favor of this doctrine (quoted above). It was my duty to do all in my power to bring about such an election. Through this letter, God revealed His will to me. God speaks to us in many ways. And the rest is history. For almost three years I contacted people world wide in order to encourage them to participate in electing a Pope. And an election was accomplished on July 16, 1990. True, I was elected that day, but my life changed when I realized what must be done. I have made a video on this as well. https://youtu.be/mFrb7Po9MC4

The video and three more:

Thirtieth Anniversary
Pope Michael
Ajoutée le 8 sept. 2017
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mFrb7Po9MC4

What If There Was Another Papal Election The Same Time As Yours?
Pope Michael
Ajoutée le 4 sept. 2017
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NeD3sgN6Agw

How Should We Act In A Time Of Confusion
Pope Michael
Ajoutée le 25 août 2017
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XS9IC75brBc

The Coming Persecution
Pope Michael
Ajoutée le 11 août 2017
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qx9v9KC5DIw

How Many are Currently Claiming Papacy or Claimed to be Popes?

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1) Pope Michael, 2) Pope Emeritus Benedict XVI claimed to have resigned invalidly, 3) Pope Francis, 4) Pope Boniface X.

Anyone who thinks this adds up to 30? I hope not!

Those are the ones Pope Michael thought worth bothering about, I suspect there is a fifth, the current Palmarian Pope, which he discounts because of apparitional foundation of Palmarian line - and which I discounted when finding evidence some apparition content is false.

Whether an Apparition from Heaven can decide who is the Pope or not - I hope HH Pope Michael is not taking my disagreement or reserve for doctrinal rebellion - an Apparition from Heaven cannot reveal false things.

I rejected Palmar over this:

"The Antichrist sees the world from the 4th dimension, the Very Pure Virgin from the 8th dimension".

God created a world in which space has three dimensions, not 4 or 8! Three, because they reflect the Trinity, as do the three parts of Time or three operations of human mind (memory, understanding and will).

The above quote was claimed to be in a Palmarian Catechism, and to have been revealed to its prophet and first Pope, Clemente Vincente, a k a Gregorio XVII.

The rejection of him as Pope was about half a minute before in same mail being informed he had sexually abused consenting adults also of the male sex.

So, five at the most.

According to Pope Michael, the claim I considered very briefly between Bergoglio and himself is now out of the way, no more a claimant : Alexander IX of Iglésia Católica Remanente. So, not six, or five if Palmar is out.

But returning to Palmar as claimant, the present one seems to have "replaced the Bible" with Palmarian apparitions. So, apostates are not considerable as Papal claimants any more than false apparitions.

And it seems the Tremblay succession in Canada is also moot, or over, meaning the four remaining claims ones are those mentioned above.

Now, how about hearing His Holiness Himself:

Pope Michael What If You Are Wrong?
Pope Michael
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ayEiqm81U5A

Requirements for a Valid Papal Election
Pope Michael
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-u_dJhne7rM

Why It Took So Long To Get Ordained
Pope Michael
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ytmUSnbiRak

AND the one I just saw subtitled, where the claimants are gone into in some depth:

Claimants to the Papacy
Pope Michael
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xOK7ZS2gLI

By the way, if anyone is claiming I am the Pope or I claim to be the Pope or have previously claimed to be the Pope, he is wrong. Unless he is dishonest.

The above videos do not include why Pope Michael discounts the Vatican II Church Papal line, unless perhaps the "what if you are wrong" one. I'll gladly link to where he explained that in more detail too.

For the moment, I am out to explain, I have not just randomly picked one non-Vatican II Pope among 30.

Hans Georg Lundahl
Nanterre UL
St. Robert Bellarmine
13.V.2017

Reflection on Sedevacantism and Conclave of 1990 (quora)

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Q

Are sedevacantists Catholic?

Anthony Zarrella

Lifelong Catholic and avid student of theology

Written Wed

No.

At least, definitely not with a “Big-C”.

The Catholic Church is, by definition, the Church led by the holder of the Petrine See (i.e., the Pope), and Jesus’s promises to Peter and the Apostles guarantee that the papal succession cannot fail.

In the early days following Vatican II, I could see a reasonable argument for “sedes” being Catholic still. (They call themselves “sedes” when I talk to them - it’s not an insulting term.) They could say, “This papal election was invalid, so the Cardinals need to do it over.” I wouldn’t agree with their premise, but I wouldn’t have said it fundamentally disqualified them from being Catholic.

But now, as one sede told me himself, there are no Cardinals left who were appointed by a “valid” Pope (in the sede perspective, I mean), and no bishops left who were ordained with the approval of a “valid” Pope. This would mean that the papacy is not only vacant, but cannot be filled, because there’s no one left to choose a new Pope.

It would also mean that Jesus, Who promised that “the gates of Hell [would] not prevail against” His Church, has allowed two whole generations of Catholics to be without any valid Pope.

So, in essence, any modern sedevacantist is asserting that the line of Peter has failed - which means that the Church has failed. It’s possible to believe that - but only if you believe that the Catholic Church in the line of Peter never was the Church to which Jesus gave His promise.

And that’s fundamentally incompatible with calling oneself “Catholic”.

Hans-Georg Lundahl

“But now, as one sede told me himself, there are no Cardinals left who were appointed by a “valid” Pope (in the sede perspective, I mean), and no bishops left who were ordained with the approval of a “valid” Pope. This would mean that the papacy is not only vacant, but cannot be filled, because there’s no one left to choose a new Pope.”

Your canonic premiss is flawed.

If all cardinals are apostates, that leaves the bishops next.

If all bishops consecrated with approval by an undisputed valid Pope refuse or are even suspect of apostasy (I would not go that far, refusal is enough, if non-papacy is clear), it is for next layer to take a turn.

That would be bishops consecrated in a resistance - or … there was a layman in 1990 (four years after Assisi) who had an idea which such bishops did not go along with until c. 2003 or 2004. The result being a series of conclaves electing Alexander IX, if you prefer him over Pope Michael.

Anthony Zarrella

“That would be bishops consecrated in a resistance - or … there was a layman in 1990 (four years after Assisi) who had an idea which such bishops did not go along with until c. 2003 or 2004. The result being a series of conclaves electing Alexander IX, if you prefer him over Pope Michael.”

I would argue that, as in the days of the heresiarchs of old, a bishop who is validly consecrated is nonetheless an invalid papal elector if he is illicitly consecrated.

I take as my precedent the decision of the First Council of Nicaea regarding Meletius of Lycopolis and the clergy ordained by him (in fact, at that time, some of them weren’t even regarded as valid ordinations, much less licit). The decision did not specifically have to do with papal elections, but it established the principle that an illicit bishop is to have no authority in the Church unless that authority be confirmed by a licit prelate.

To make more of an argument from first principles, in a quasi-Thomist sense, no one may confer that which he himself lacks. So, it is then axiomatic that a bishop who does not possess canonical legitimacy or liceity cannot confer canonical legitimacy or liceity upon a putative Pope.

Hans-Georg Lundahl

However, a bishop consecrated in resistance is not necessarily illicitly consecrated.

[They would be if the resistance were an unnecessary and de facto rebellious act.]

“So, it is then axiomatic that a bishop who does not possess canonical legitimacy or liceity cannot confer canonical legitimacy or liceity upon a putative Pope.”

David Bawden was fully aware of this point.

It is not the conclave which CONFERS legitimacy on the Pope it elects. It ONLY designates the person on whom GOD confers it.

Let’s say we had been talking about the Roman Emperor, whom the Pope is crowning and on whom the Pope is conferring legitimate secular authority.

It is the Pope, not the seven princes elector who confer the Imperial dignity on the Roman Emperor.

Precisely so, it is also the Pope who confers episcopal dignity of jurisdiction on a bishop of Paris even back in the times when the bishop of Paris was designated whether it be by a “local conclave” (older type of episcopal designation) or even by the King of France.

It is accidental that more lately the Pope is BOTH designating the bishop AND conferring authority on him. Essentially, these two things are not the same function. Or, in a democracy : the people do not confer authority on the president, nor do “electors” as the US system has it. The voting people and the electors are just designating who shall receive authority from God (receiving it formally from the Pope being somewhat out of date, but actually also from God via the Pope’s approval, if the president in question is ruling over baptised faithful). So also, the conclave needs not have an authority to confer on the Pope, the cardinals are only designating him so God can confer His authority on the Pope.

Note, btw, that Pope Michael considers the Sedes properly speaking as heretical. He thinks the days are over in which one could have been right in waiting for cardinals to take a step and so on.

This does not mean he disapproves of their recent asking for roraries to be said for impetrating from God a Pope.

Update, the above was posted on his wall, he responded.

Dixit David Bawden / Pope Michael:

If Francis is Pope, we should go hand in hand to the Novus Ordo singing Kumbaya. The various other positions are problematic. The SSPX both branches are waiting for the Pope to convert. However, if he must convert, then that means he is not a Catholic. The sedeprivationists are waiting for the same thing, but deny he has authority until he converts. The sedevatancists, hold that there is no Pope, but with one exception have take no steps to end the vacancy.

He linked to:

Pray for a Pope: Join the Rosary Crusade to get a true Pope back on the Chair of St. Peter
Sedevacantists of the world, let us unite in praying the Holy Rosary of the Most Blessed Virgin Mary to beg Almighty God to grant us once more a true Pope!
http://www.prayforapope.com/

Pray for a Pope

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This is a sedevacantist initiative which has the full support of Pope Michael:

http://www.prayforapope.com/

A common friend told me it has his support, I asked and he said: Yes, do share./HGL

Five Years Ago

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Pope Michael, in the twentysecond year after his election, received consecration as a bishop.

It was the eleventh day of December, as today, it was the Gaudete Sunday, as today.

He had been ordained to Catholic Priesthood the day before. His orders go back to Duarte Costa.

This does not mean that Vatican in nExile is part of Brazilian Catholic Apostolic Church. He has however accepted married priesthood even in the Latin Rite, as a return to earlier discipline.

I took the liberty to congratulate him on this belated event.

Hans Georg Lundahl
Paris III
Gaudete Lord's Day
11.XII.2016

H. H. Pope Michael on Lent 2015

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Reposted with H. H. permission:

Lent 2015 "In the eyes of civilized man and savage alike, the strongest argument in favor of a doctrine is to be found in the sacrifices made by those who propagate it; the sacrifice of life, if need be, and, in a minor degree, the sacrifice of ease, country, fortune, home. The is the secret of success of our missionaries abroad, and of he most influential and venerated priests around us.” Daily Thoughts for Priests page 97. Dear friends of Christ, We are entering the holy season of Lent on Ash Wednesday, February 18, 2015. Lent is a good time for spiritual spring cleaning. Lent is a good time to see where we are and more important where God wants us to go. Out next step this Lent is to get out the map and plot out our course to where God wants us to go. We must be ready to say with Jesus: “Not my will, but Thy will be done.” We are all called to be saints. It is time to ask ourselves, what would the saints before us do at these times? In difficult times, they have abandoned the comfort of their home to defend the Church. Saint Bernard left his monastery to defend Pope Innocent II against Antipope Anacletus I. Many today look for martyrdom, but martyrdom is not a grace that is given to the lax, but those who prepare for it by a life lived for the love of Jesus Christ and in His holy service. If we must be ready to sacrifice our life if called upon, we are all called to live our life for Jesus Christ. And if this is true in all ages, how much more so today, when so few live as they ought. We have a lot to meditate on this Lent. “For where there are two or three gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.” (Matthew 18:20) Are we gathering together in Jesus Name and praying for an end to the Great Apostasy? We must remember that our spiritual strength begins with a life of serious prayer. We can preach all we want to with our lips, but if our heart is not near Jesus, our words will be worthless. It is our heart we must bring close to Jesus. In Lent we will find we have drifted away from Jesus a bit. We always do, because we live in the world and the world is full of distractions. In Lent, it is time to come home and bring our heart back close to Jesus. Jesus gave us the example, He spent forty days and forty nights in the desert praying before His public ministry. The desert is a place separated away from the noise of the world. During Lent, we should separate from the world as much as duty will allow. We need this time to reflect on our lives and on moving forward spiritually. We also must retire often to prayer. Jesus also retired often to prayer, during His public ministry. Scripture says He went up a mountain to pray. A mountain is also away from the noise of the world, where we ascend spiritually to life our hearts up to God. “Jesus, Jesus, Jesus, end the Great Apostasy.” Every one of us must ask ourselves, are my actions extending the Great Apostasy or ending it? Remember Jesus did not give us a middle ground. We are either gathering with Jesus or we are scattering. The Holy Ghost has blessed us with a knowledge of the truth. Why has He chosen us? He has chosen us, because He wants us to bring others to a knowledge and acceptance of the truth. And yes, He has chosen you, because He has led you to this email. We cannot follow the worldly, who allow others to do their work whenever possible. We are called to go and teach all nations. And so, this Lent let us ask ourselves, what am I doing to end the Great Apostasy. Oremus, +Michael pp