But is "Francis" correct on Athenian Paedophilia?

This link again.

Athens: Cradle of Pedophilia and Mind Control
November 28, 2016
https://www.henrymakow.com/2016/11/athens-cradle-of-pedophilia.html

While I agree Athens was totalitarian, I wonder where he got this from:

The proper translation of « ago:ge: » is « initiation » in a very physical sexual sense : «pushing, goading into ». You as a grown child and then as a teen-ager, for about 7-8 years in total, were entrusted to a state-appointed mentor who submitted you to anal coitus twice daily while you had to remain stoical.

The same mentor was also responsible for your military education, consisting in gymnastics and various other forms of training.

The aim of that sexual initiation was not to open you to newer and more delicate forms of pleasure and rapture, quite the contrary. The aim was to destroy your individual personality, and replace it by the state's mould as personified by the mentor's. If you slept with anybody else before finishing your cursus, you were eliminated for good from citizenship; you had failed your test.

Only after seven years beginning before puberty were you entitled to citizenship. But once you were received as such a citizen you no longer had any will of your own, your whole body and therefore your whole brain, your own soul was possessed by the state, exactly like in the MK-Ultra program of the CIA.

In the discussions I have seen in Classical Sources, indeed there was an encouragement to an emotional, quasi erotic, bond between mentor and the one to be "educated".

However, it was also written in books from there and then (I think Aristotle's Politics, there being a part where diverse attitudes to sodomy are compared*) that In Athens while paederastic sodomy was looked down on, it was tolerated.

In other words, horrid as such an exception is, it was supposed to be an exception, not the rule.

On Crete, it was a capital offense. In Sparta it was standard between male soldiers. In Corinth it was used freely - but in Athens, it was looked down on.

I think that "Francis" would have perhaps accessed, while being into White Voodoo, some misleading information about Ancient Athens, and not have discovered it when turning away from it.

Those networks would have a double interest in giving their adepts such misinformation:

• 1) to give their own practises some shelter behind an admired concept, in this case Athenian Democracy;
• 2) to keep their members "disillusioned" about everyone and everything outside themselves.

Anyway, I think he was wrong about Athens and even more so about Rome.

The brainwashing which did exist was not a deadening of feelings : it was a canalisation of feelings into certain set concepts, a bit like modern education channels both indignation and commiseration into the general framework of Shoah or Holocaustianity.

While the former White Voodoo adept has privileged information on White Voodoo, let's not credit him with privileged information on Greek Classics.

There is a simple question to ask : where did he get his info from?

In the case of White Voodoo, the answer is : his past, his former masters in that black art. People who actually had White Voodoo as an ongoing concern.

In the case of Athenian Democracy, the answer is ...

• ... we know Athenian Democracy was based on mindnumbing mind control because Francis lived in it and reported on it? No ...
• ... we know Athenian Democracy was based on mindnumbing mind control because the Ancient Sources say so? Not directly at least, and I would like to know who argues they did so indirectly ...
• ... because "Francis" (or sn else) learned it in the network he was or is in? That network accessed Athenian Democracy when and how?

Supposing he had some initiation claiming to know Athenian Democracy because the Illuminates of Bavaria claimed to be an open refounding of mysteries of Eleusis, which had been going on behind the scenes in the meantime, how do we know the claim is not bogus?

While I have the utmost respect for any community's claim to know how it was founded at the moment it started to exist openly (like US can be trusted to know the Declaration of Independence was in 1776 and signed by inter alios George Washington, or like Rome had been existing since 753 BC and founded by Romulus who was deified), I have very little respect for anything like "Anderson's Lodge of 1717 claimed to continue a society in which King Solomon was in initiate".

Or, possibly the network from which he has it is his present network, the one to which Henry Makow also belongs.

Just so, if child sacrifice was practised by Phoenicians who lived in Athens, I think, first of all, they were Phoenicians, not Jews, second, they were doing it in Tyre or in Carthage, not on Athenian territory.

While Bohemian Grove uses owl symbolism in what looks like child sacrifice (according to people who went in and filmed it, where we get it from is important), this does not prove Athenians honoured the owl-goddess Athena in the precise same way.

I was just looking at a "meme" purportedly by OccupyDemocrats.

It compared Trump to Hitler by reminding how Hitler built the Berlin wall ... he did not, it was built later. By the Communist Honnegger.

Two of my conservative friends were sharing how one man bashed them for the mistake. However, when I went to the post of that man, two or three persons asked for proof this was really from OccupyDemocrats. They got taunts in reply from another man, and nothing from the man who posted the meme.

I went to their own page, and went through their own publications back to Fenruary 21 (the man had posted his remark on February 25th).

Nothing there that little back. Perhaps further back? Could he not have said so?

And if it should so have happened OccupyDemocrats made such an illinformed meme, could they not have deleted the post?

If so, could the man who pointed out their mistake (if really theirs, as said) not have said "I found it on their site, but now they took it down, they aren't that stupid?"

Or, if they did make the remark earlier than February 21, and did not yet take it down, how about showing the link where he got it?

Before doing the check-up, I was remarking that the OccupyDemocrats (for the moment I was under the spontaneous impression the meme was theirs, it had their logo correctly formed and placed**) had made two Conservative friends of mine reflect on the fact that that Communists also had built a wall.

Now, like some guys really took this meme (so far not a proven fact to me) as coming from OccupyDemocrats, some guys are ready to take the link about Athens I posted a few days ago as coming from someone who knows what he is talking about, when it comes to Athenian Democracy.

But Athens was totalitarian in education in another way : every citizen had to go through the same curriculum. Unlike Rome, where even if a standard curriculum existed, it was at least formally a choice the parents (of free citizens) were making.

Hans Georg Lundahl
Nanterre UL
St Gabriel of Our Lady of Sorrows
27.II.2017

* It is 24 years since I studied Greek and even longer since I last opened Aristotle's Politics. I read it in Penguin Classics even before learning Greek so as even to start reading Aristotle and even Plato (who is at least supposed to be easier). ** Which would not be too difficult to fake.