Here is the question, and here is the answer, with the source in Catholic News Agency:
- Paloma García Ovejero, Cadena COPE (Spain):
- Holy Father, for several weeks there’s been a lot of concern in many Latin American countries but also in Europe regarding the Zika virus. The greatest risk would be for pregnant women. There is anguish. Some authorities have proposed abortion, or else to avoiding pregnancy. As regards avoiding pregnancy, on this issue, can the Church take into consideration the concept of “the lesser of two evils?”
- Pope Francis:
- Abortion is not the lesser of two evils. It is a crime. It is to throw someone out in order to save another. That’s what the Mafia does. It is a crime, an absolute evil. On the ‘lesser evil,’ avoiding pregnancy, we are speaking in terms of the conflict between the fifth and sixth commandment. Paul VI, a great man, in a difficult situation in Africa, permitted nuns to use contraceptives in cases of rape.
Don’t confuse the evil of avoiding pregnancy by itself, with abortion. Abortion is not a theological problem, it is a human problem, it is a medical problem. You kill one person to save another, in the best case scenario. Or to live comfortably, no? It’s against the Hippocratic oaths doctors must take. It is an evil in and of itself, but it is not a religious evil in the beginning, no, it’s a human evil. Then obviously, as with every human evil, each killing is condemned.
On the other hand, avoiding pregnancy is not an absolute evil. In certain cases, as in this one, or in the one I mentioned of Blessed Paul VI, it was clear. I would also urge doctors to do their utmost to find vaccines against these two mosquitoes that carry this disease. This needs to be worked on.
- Source
- CNA : Full text of Pope Francis' in-flight interview from Mexico to Rome
http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/full-text-of-pope-francis-in-flight-interview-from-mexico-to-rome-85821/
- Emphases
- added by myself.
OK, what did Montini do? Bergoglio answers: Paul VI, a great man, in a difficult situation in Africa, permitted nuns to use contraceptives in cases of rape.
OK, what exact contraceptives? Condoms? Did he allow nuns to use condoms by telling rapists, "please, here is a condom, use it if you want to rape me"? Or did he allow nuns to use some contraceptive prior to rape occasion, like a pessar? Or did he allow nuns to use a pill that kills a fresh embryo, a human person?
The first seems very unlikely. The second would either be derogatory to chastity or occasionally also kill. The latter is a very early abortion, at least in the cases when embrya have come into being.
No, I do not admire Montini for that idea.
Avoiding pregnancy is not sinful when it is a result from avoiding sex.
When you are raped, that is not an option.
So, once you are raped, you do not have any right to "avoid pregnancy" from that rape, like by using a pill afterwards.
That is especially true for nuns, who should set an example.
A raped nun has not forfeited the rewards of virginity, if she has not consented to the rape. A raped nun who becomes a mother, can remain a perfectly good nun.
If newborn children were offered up to monasteries during the Middle Ages, for the better upkeep of them, for their better upbringing, a nun who, after rape, bears a child, has a right to offer her child to the monastery, or to another monastery.
Merlin is said to have been born by a nun who was raped by the devil. And yet, he did not become the Antichrist.
But perhaps Bergoglio misspoke? He confirms it : avoiding pregnancy is not an absolute evil. In certain cases, as in this one, or in the one I mentioned of Blessed Paul VI, it was clear.
It is alas clear he meant, unlike what Red Cardigan had led me to believe, that we are talking of avoiding them by illicit means. Contraceptives. And you can guess which ones.
It was perfectly clear and remains so that the nuns did not have such a right.
But Bergoglio perhaps has not got it that pills taken after a rape are a very early abortion?
Well, in that case he has a very bad grasp on medicine. Which also comes out from this comment : I would also urge doctors to do their utmost to find vaccines against these two mosquitoes that carry this disease. Vaccines are against microbes, not against mosquitoes. A mosquito will sting you whether you have antibodies against it or not. But it is microbes which will not succeed in infecting you if you have sufficient antibodies against it.
This reminds me of the "qui sibi imposuit nomen" ... Montini took, wrongfully, the name Paul VI. In Latin capital letters PAULUS PP VI or PAULUS PP. VI. We shall only be dealing with PAULUS PP, and let us note, first that using "U" instead of "V" as capital letter for "u" is nonstandard, second that abbreviating Papa as PP is not so standard as to be unavoidable. Pius XII was abbreviating pp. in minuscules. And Paul V (or was I looking at Cum ex Apostolatus by Paul IV) was not abbreviating but writing out as Papa : PAVLVS Papa V (or if it was PAVLVS Papa IV).
Now, can you guess the ASCII Code value?
| P | 80 | 80 | 640 | |
| A | 65 | 140 | 5 | 026 |
| U | 85 | 220 | 10 | 666 |
| L | 76 | 290 | 16 | |
| U | 85 | 370 | 21 | |
| S | 83 | 450 | 24 | |
| 32 | 480 | 26 | ||
| P | 80 | 560 | ||
| P | 80 | 640 |
Obviously, had he used PAVLVS, he would even with PP have come up to 668. But was ASCII Code relevant for him? He died 6 of August 1978. Computers used what has since become known as ASCII back as early as ....
From early in its development,[39] ASCII was intended to be just one of several national variants of an international character code standard, ultimately published as ISO/IEC 646 (1972), which would share most characters in common but assign other locally useful characters to several code points reserved for "national use." However, the four years that elapsed between the publication of ASCII-1963 and ISO's first acceptance of an international recommendation during 1967[40] caused ASCII's choices for the national use characters to seem to be de facto standards for the world, causing confusion and incompatibility once other countries did begin to make their own assignments to these code points.
From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ASCII
39 "Specific Criteria," attachment to memo from R. W. Reach, "X3-2 Meeting – September 14 and 15," September 18, 1961
40 R. Maréchal, ISO/TC 97 – Computers and Information Processing: Acceptance of Draft ISO Recommendation No. 1052, December 22, 1967
Now, sorry, Red Cardigan, I don't know how Zuhlsdorf deals with this, but the man you call Pope Francis and the man you call Pope Paul VI were endorsing mortal sins, acts which are in themselves perverted and intrinsically evil.
And suppose the nuns were only given condoms. Using them is such an evil that a wife can only be excused from mortal sin in doing so if submitted to spousal rape - which in such a case becomes a very clear evil monstrosity. How could then a nun honestly tell a rapist "please use this first"? Of course, she could not.
If you answer "she could if afraid of AIDS", well, that infection came after him:
AIDS was first clinically observed in 1981 in the United States.[34] The initial cases were a cluster of injecting drug users and homosexual men with no known cause of impaired immunity who showed symptoms of Pneumocystis carinii pneumonia (PCP), a rare opportunistic infection that was known to occur in people with very compromised immune systems.[205] Soon thereafter, an unexpected number of homosexual men developed a previously rare skin cancer called Kaposi's sarcoma (KS).[206][207] Many more cases of PCP and KS emerged, alerting U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and a CDC task force was formed to monitor the outbreak.[208]
In the early days, the CDC did not have an official name for the disease, often referring to it by way of the diseases that were associated with it, for example, lymphadenopathy, the disease after which the discoverers of HIV originally named the virus.[209][210]
From : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HIV/AIDS
[34] Mandell, Bennett, and Dolan (2010). Chapter 169. Referring to bibliography Mandell, Gerald L.; Bennett, John E.; Dolin, Raphael, eds. (2010). Mandell, Douglas, and Bennett's Principles and Practice of Infectious Diseases (7th ed.). Philadelphia, PA: Churchill Livingstone/Elsevier. ISBN 978-0-443-06839-3.
[205] Gottlieb MS (2006). "Pneumocystis pneumonia—Los Angeles. 1981". Am J Public Health 96 (6): 980–1; discussion 982–3. doi:10.2105/AJPH.96.6.980. PMC 1470612. PMID 16714472. Archived from the original on April 22, 2009. Retrieved March 31, 2009.
[206] Friedman-Kien AE (October 1981). "Disseminated Kaposi's sarcoma syndrome in young homosexual men". J. Am. Acad. Dermatol. 5 (4): 468–71. doi:10.1016/S0190-9622(81)80010-2. PMID 7287964.
[207] Hymes KB, Cheung T, Greene JB, et al. (September 1981). "Kaposi's sarcoma in homosexual men-a report of eight cases". Lancet 2 (8247): 598–600. doi:10.1016/S0140-6736(81)92740-9. PMID 6116083.
[208] Basavapathruni, A; Anderson, KS (December 2007). "Reverse transcription of the HIV-1 pandemic". The FASEB Journal 21 (14): 3795–3808. doi:10.1096/fj.07-8697rev. PMID 17639073.
[209] Centers for Disease Control (CDC) (1982). "Persistent, generalized lymphadenopathy among homosexual males". MMWR Morb Mortal Wkly Rep. 31 (19): 249–251. PMID 6808340. Retrieved August 31, 2011.
[210] Barré-Sinoussi, F.; Chermann, J.C.; Rey, F.; et al. (1983). "Isolation of a T-lymphotropic retrovirus from a patient at risk for acquired immune deficiency syndrome (AIDS)". Science 220 (4599): 868–871. Bibcode:1983Sci...220..868B. doi:10.1126/science.6189183. PMID 6189183.
So, no, Red Cardigan, I gave "the Pope" the benefit of the doubt. As you asked here:
And Sometimes Tea : Giving the pope the benefit of the doubt
http://redcardigan.blogspot.fr/2016/02/giving-pope-benefit-of-doubt.html
And I conclude, Montini was probably not a Pope at all, but if he was, his act which Bergoglio commended was treason against the sheep entrusted to him. Bergoglio is even worse, since not doing it discreetly with some nuns in Africa, without most Catholics knowing, but rather getting the word published on Catholic News Agency, for every internet reader all over the world to read.
For my own part, I have already written off Montini as possible Pope, if I knew what he wrote about "obiter dicta" in connexion with Biblical inerrancy, I might be formally certain.
Hans Georg Lundahl
Cergy
Médiathèque Astrolabe
St Peter Damian
Bishop and Doctor
23.II.2016
Update: according to Le blog de Jeanne Smits - and she's a journalist - comenting on this affair, the Sisters in Congo were sent a pill. In other words, Montini committed murders. At least for those taking pill after rape already occurred, probably for some others too./St Matthias' Day/HGL
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